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02:19 < wile_coyote> hi all
02:20 < wile_coyote> can anyone tell me what the default login/password is for a newly compiled T2 iso using the default profile?
02:21 < wile_coyote> for the latest stable T2
02:22 < wile_coyote> anyone?
02:23 < wile_coyote> anyone at all?
02:23 < wile_coyote> default login/password....anyone?
02:23 < wile_coyote> user root with no password does not work
02:24 < wile_coyote> anyone?
02:29 < wile_coyote> can someone please help a brotha out
02:29 < wile_coyote> please?
02:29 < wile_coyote> with sugar and a cherry on top?
02:38 < wile_coyote> + coolwhip on top of that?
02:38 < wile_coyote> anybody?
02:38 < wile_coyote> hmm?
02:51 < wtracy> there is no name/password; if it prompts you to log in when you boot the CD, something is wrong
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03:19 < wile_coyote> doh!
03:19 < wile_coyote> hmm
03:19 < wile_coyote> that sux
03:19 < wile_coyote> recompile time i guess
03:19 < wile_coyote> <sigh>
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12:59 < CIA-24> rene * r31626 /trunk/package/office/openoffice-org/openoffice-org.conf: 
12:59 < CIA-24> * fixed openoffice-org install pathes to use wildcards
12:59 < CIA-24> and thus not only work on i686 (i6), but also x86_64
12:59 < CIA-24> (x6) and hopefully others
13:07 < rxr> re
13:07 < CIA-24> rene * r31627 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-input-synaptics/xf86-input-synaptics.desc: 
13:07 < CIA-24> * fixed xf86-input-synaptics checksum for new, replaced
13:07 < CIA-24> 0.99.3 version that I messed up in r31624 due to switched
13:07 < CIA-24> source tree flavours
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15:11 < wile_work> hi all
15:12 < wile_work> can someone please answer a question for me?
15:15 < koan> shoot
15:22 < wile_work> i successfully compiled the latest stable T2 as a livecd
15:22 < wile_work> after having trouble with perl i got everything to compile fine
15:22 < wile_work> i made the iso and was able to boot it fine
15:22 < wile_work> but it asks for a username and password
15:23 < wile_work> nothing would work
15:23 < wile_work> i used several username / password combinations.....nothing would let me in
15:24 < wile_work> is there supposed to be a config somewhere that would set the default username and password for a livecd?
15:24 < wile_work> i used the default config
15:24 < koan> as far as I remember, the installer of the normal install lets you choose your root password as part of the configuration at the first boot
15:24 < koan> I didn't try the live cd yet
15:24 < wile_work> hmm
15:24 < wile_work> i didn't do the install
15:25 < wile_work> i just boot the iso and it loads fine
15:25 < wile_work> no errors other than udev not finding certain gids
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15:26 < wile_work> hi ren
15:27 < wile_work> i tried root / root
15:27 < ren> ah Mr Coyote
15:27 < wile_work> root / toor
15:27 < ren> u gardening ?
15:27 < wile_work> nopes
15:27 < ren> dying ur hair?
15:27 < wile_work> :/
15:28 < wile_work> any suggestions guys?
15:28 < wile_work> or do i need to scrap my 2day compile and do it all over again?
15:29 < wile_work> hmm
15:29 < wile_work> i used the latest stable iso as the platform in which to compile the latest svn release
15:29 < wile_work> if that helps
15:29 < wile_work> the install env had a broken version of perl
15:30 < wile_work> so compiled the latest stable perl 5.10.0 i'm pretty sure
15:30 < wile_work> and used that to compile against
15:31 < wile_work> the only 2 pkgs that complained about perl was glibc and core-utils
15:31 < wile_work> once i started using the new perl, they compiled fine
15:31 < wile_work> no other errors occured
15:31 < wile_work> i even reran the Build-Target command....just to be sure it caught eveything
15:32 < wile_work> everything ^^^
15:46  * wile_work waits patiently
16:17 < wile_work> ZZZzzz
16:31 < mpp> ahm nope
16:31 < mpp> the livecd has a special account to login
16:32 < mpp> use the live user
16:32 < mpp> without password
16:32 < mpp> zzzZZZZZZ :-)
16:33 < mpp> what target did you select ? 
16:33 < mpp> sorry forgot - u need to wake up first so we can have a talk
16:33 < mpp> ;-)
16:34 < mpp> if you want to modifiy this behaviour - you will have to alter the /etc/shadow and remove the asterisk from the root:*::::: line
16:35 < mpp> an build the target again - that is onyl the rootfs gets refreshed and you have almos the same iso image with the modified root login
16:36 < mpp> so let me know when you're done
16:36 < mpp> otherwise - marry X-mas -- hoohohoooooo
16:39 < wile_work> sorry
16:39 < mpp> sorry for what ?
16:39 < wile_work> for not answering your ?
16:39 < mpp> ah no problem
16:39 < wile_work> i chose the default target
16:39 < mpp> it's x-mas eve after all
16:39 < mpp> the default 
16:40 < wile_work> true true
16:40 < mpp> is not a target
16:40 < wile_work> yup
16:40 < wile_work> oh?
16:40 < mpp> default is prob. the config 
16:40 < wile_work> hmm
16:40 < mpp> scripts/Config ?
16:40 < mpp> what did you select there
16:40 < mpp> in the ncurses menu...
16:40 < wile_work> i just ran /scripts/Config
16:41 < wile_work> got the screen up....chose the target cpu and livecd
16:41 < mpp> okay so it's the livecd target itself
16:41 < wile_work> also that i wated x
16:41 < wile_work> yes
16:41 < mpp> okay so the user to login is 'live'
16:41 < mpp> no password
16:41 < wile_work> i tried that
16:41 < mpp> after that you can su - or sudo su - or passwd simply
16:41 < mpp> must work
16:41 < mpp> on the console
16:42 < wile_work> hmm.....when i built the iso i simply used /scripts/Create-ISO default
16:42 < mpp> what target did you chose generic
16:42 < wile_work> i think that's my problem
16:42 < mpp> yes - thats fine
16:42 < wile_work> yes
16:42 < mpp> hold on a sec - checking on my referenc build machine
16:42 < mpp> bbiam
16:43 < mpp> minimal desktop 
16:43 < mpp> ?
16:43 < wile_work> i wish i was hope to tell you the exact settings
16:43 < wile_work> minimal desktop
16:43 < mpp> okay so lets walk this through 
16:43 < wile_work> just X and a wm
16:43 < mpp> fire up scripts/Config on your build machine again
16:43 < wile_work> i wish i was home i mean ^^^
16:43 < mpp> a 
16:44 < wile_work> i'll have to wait until i'm home
16:44 < mpp> wait a sec
16:45 < wile_work> it's obvious i skipped or missed something
16:46 < mpp> nope i don't think so
16:46 < mpp> im checking the livecd script to see if the user changed
16:46 < wile_work> the reason i simply took the defaults for most options was i just wanted to do the compile all the way thru as a test....before i try to mod it for my own
16:47 < wile_work> k
16:47 < wile_work> i c
16:47 < mpp> can you switch to the console with ctrl+alt+f1 ?
16:49 < wile_work> i didn't try that
16:49 < mpp> go ahead
16:49 < wile_work> i can't....the build env and the iso is @ home
16:49 < wile_work> i'm @ work
16:49 < wile_work> <---hence the name
16:49 < wile_work> sorry
16:49 < mpp> no i mean on the running system
16:49 < mpp> ah k
16:50 < mpp> so try the live user without password i am pretty sure it works
16:50 < wile_work> but you are giving me stuff i can try
16:50 < mpp> drop a note on the irc-channel
16:50 < wile_work> i will
16:50 < mpp> yes the live user is the default livecd user who can login
16:50 < wile_work> i will be on as wile_coyote
16:50 < mpp> after that you can passwd 
16:50 < mpp> the root account 
16:50 < mpp> 10-4
16:50 < wile_work> ok..on console 2 though?
16:51 < mpp> any console 1-6 will do just fine
16:51 < wile_work> hmm
16:51 < wile_work> i did try live / <blank> and that didn't work
16:51 < mpp> are you sure
16:51 < wile_work> yup
16:51 < mpp> is it a vm running in
16:51 < wile_work> several times i did that....after reading the online docs
16:52 < mpp> hm...
16:52 < wile_work> yes
16:52 < wile_work> i was using virtualbox
16:52 < mpp> so the problem is obvious
16:52 < wile_work> i used that to build the whole system
16:52 < mpp> vb has some issues with the keyboard
16:52 < wile_work> ?
16:52 < wile_work> aww nuts
16:52 < mpp> try the console on the vm 
16:53 < mpp> the x-mode keyboard is buggy
16:53 < mpp> :-)
16:53 < wile_work> i can burn the iso to cd though to test
16:53 < wile_work> i'll put it on rw
16:53 < mpp> well it's the same deal as long as you run in the vb vm 
16:53 < mpp> right .
16:53 < mpp> are u in the states ?
16:53 < wile_work> yup...fl
16:54 < mpp> hm.. nice and warm i guess
16:54 < wile_work> yup
16:54 < wile_work> kinda gloomy today
16:54 < wile_work> beats the snow
16:54 < mpp> so ill be here for at least 6 hours
16:54 < mpp> drop me a line - or else ill review the irclog tomorrow
16:54 < wile_work> hmm...ok...hopefully they release us early
16:54 < wile_work> kk
16:54 < wile_work> thanks
16:54 < mpp> you are 6h behin to cet ?
16:55 < wile_work> gmt -5
16:55 < wile_work> or -4....i forget
16:55 < mpp> eas coast that is i thik
16:55 < wile_work> yes
16:55 < mpp> ah k
16:55 < mpp> so i'll catch up with you later on
16:55 < wile_work> kk
16:56 < wile_work> u know stable T2 iso has perl issue?
16:56 < mpp> yes it does
16:56 < wile_work> pita that was.....
16:56 < mpp> i have a x target built from trunk
16:56 < mpp> it's on the dl2 + dl3 mirro
16:56 < mpp> requires installation though
16:56 < mpp> not exactly for noobs
16:57 < wile_work> i've never seen X on T2 before
16:57 < mpp> but an average skilled *n*x should get throug
16:57 < mpp> try the rescue target
16:57 < mpp> it has xfce as livecd 
16:57 < wile_work> cool
16:57 < mpp> it's kinda fun
16:57 < mpp> what are you using t2 for ?
16:57 < wile_work> gotta be quick too
16:58 < mpp> k cya
16:58 < mpp> afk
16:58 < wile_work> trying to mod it for possible base for our distro
16:58 < wile_work> thanks
16:58 < mpp> you're welcome !
17:43 < mpp> re
17:58 < wile_work> ?
18:04 < mpp> back on keyboard
18:07 < wile_work> ahh
18:07 < wile_work> <--a little slow today
18:09 < mpp> thats k
18:09 < mpp> what kind of distro do you have in mind ?
18:10 < mpp> you want to start based on t2 i mean
18:11 < wile_work> well
18:11 < wile_work> we were building everything from scratch
18:12 < wile_work> based on LFS and BLFS
18:12 < mpp> yes i get that 
18:12 < wile_work> it is very tedious
18:12 < mpp> i mean what purpose does it server - if you are at freedom to discuss here
18:12 < wile_work> pita
18:13 < wile_work> same goal as any other linux distro....but with speed and ease of use 
18:13 < wile_work> being the most important
18:13 < mpp> so generic purpose - user oriented - server oriented - appliance - that kind of thing i mean
18:13 < wile_work> ahh
18:14 < mpp> t2 is fast and easy to use for building distros
18:14 < mpp> thats it sole purpose from the very beginning 
18:14 < wile_work> well, sorta like a base system, then add-ons for other specific purposes.....like a custom install
18:14 < wile_work> one for server
18:14 < mpp> ah.
18:14 < wile_work> one for desktop
18:14 < wile_work> like that
18:15 < wile_work> but the base is the most important
18:15 < mpp> i have build a server flavour with fluxbox firefox thunderbird and stuff
18:15 < wile_work> that has to be the fastes and most stable
18:15 < mpp> server developer oriented
18:15 < mpp> i also do lot's of pxe with t2
18:15 < mpp> for server provisioning etc
18:16 < mpp> rescue targets for colo serers and so on
18:16 < wile_work> cool
18:16 < mpp> the desktop area is somewhat flooded with distros
18:16 < wile_work> yes
18:16 < wile_work> very true
18:17 < wile_work> www.7linux.com
18:17 < mpp> so no interest in that particular besides of customizing and tailoring custom ones
18:17 < wile_work> we've been in a lull for ~a year
18:18 < wile_work> just the 2 of us doing it
18:18 < wile_work> sometimes you can't find the time to do anything
18:18 < mpp> i agree
18:19 < wile_work> life + family happens
18:19 < mpp> might wanna take a look at puppy linux
18:19 < mpp> save you some more time maybe
18:20 < mpp> http://www.puppylinux.org/
18:20 < wile_work> heh....i have
18:20 < wile_work> i like it
18:20 < wile_work> that or DSL
18:21 < mpp> it's based entirely on t2
18:21 < mpp> :-)
18:21 < mpp> nice 
18:21 < wile_work> ideal for older machines
18:21 < mpp> yep 
18:21 < mpp> but as i noticed on t2-trunk all major wm dm are broken atm
18:21 < mpp> mainly due to gc4.3 stuff and the **** xorg code
18:22 < wile_work> yeah
18:22 < mpp> some devs aught to be ...
18:22 < mpp> you know what i mean
18:22 < wile_work> kinda hard to be cutting edge when the edge is dull
18:22 < mpp> messing up with their code mutations
18:23 < mpp> for now i have fluxbox as a base for lightweight x 
18:23 < wile_work> well, they try to fix certain bugs, and the fixes in the code without testing to see if the fixes break the code that wasn't originally broke
18:24 < mpp> it's speedy the code builds without problems
18:24 < wile_work> i like xfce...it's fast and easy to config
18:24 < wile_work> fluxbox is very fast
18:24 < wile_work> easy to compile too
18:24 < mpp> yes - a legacy of c programming mainly
18:25 < mpp> the linux kernel itself is also mutating way too fast
18:25 < mpp> no accurate testing is done
18:25 < wile_work> yup
18:25 < mpp> you now the mess !
18:25 < mpp> know
18:25 < wile_work> yup
18:25 < mpp> udev - same story 
18:26 < mpp> that is probably the main reason for distro's - clean up the mess others provided kindly :-) LOL
18:26 < wile_work> when the kernel decided to change the IDE designations ....that really screwed me up
18:26 < wile_work> from hda to sda
18:27 < mpp> despite the rumours - linux is very messy compared to other propriaty os'es
18:27 < wile_work> but it IS free
18:27 < mpp> yes it could use some KISS
18:28 < mpp> really !
18:28 < mpp> free of charge maybe - free of patching debugin - nada !
18:28 < wile_work> heh
18:29 < mpp> but as i said - it's a legacy of c / c++
18:30 < mpp> other complex frameworks implemented in highlevel languages surely don't
18:30 < mpp> but what the h** - it's here and we pick up the pieces anyway
18:30 < mpp> :-)
18:31 < wile_work> yup
18:33 < mpp> i ended up with ruby 
18:33 < mpp> for the heavy lifting parts i use inline c in ruby
18:33 < mpp> it's a breeze
18:34 < wile_work> i stick with bash shell scripting
18:34 < mpp> yeah - i skipped that one in my XX years of computers+it
18:35 < mpp> i only deal with it when i have to - like patching scripts in t2 
18:36 < wile_work> it's fun
18:36 < mpp> yea - no bashing for me 
18:37 < wile_work> :)
18:38 < wile_work> i wrote an entire install routine for our distro....is shell scripting
18:38 < wile_work> that was a treat
18:38 < mpp> i almost write all of the system scripts in ruby 
18:38 < mpp> there is even  a distro called rubyx
18:39 < wile_work> really?
18:39 < wile_work> hmm
18:40 < mpp> ah called h-e-r-e-t-i-x now - what do you know ... 
18:40 < mpp> offline
18:40 < mpp> must have missed something
18:41 < mpp> well - evolve or (and) die
18:45 < wile_work> true
18:48 < mpp> ill be afk for a while
18:48 < mpp> enough of the electronic fuzz for now
18:48 < mpp> cya l8er
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18:51 < wile_work> kk
18:51 < wile_work> laterz
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21:35 < mpp> welcome back wile_coyote
21:35 < wile_coyote> ty
21:35 < mpp> meep meep
21:35 < mpp> .... :-)
21:36 < wile_coyote> i chroot'd into the build dir
21:36 < wile_coyote> ran passwd for root
21:36 < wile_coyote> now i'm building the system again
21:36 < wile_coyote> then the iso
21:37 < wile_coyote> i thought the livecd iso was supposed to boot into X?
21:38 < mpp> ahm ... 
21:38 < mpp> the livecd boots into X 
21:39 < wile_coyote> hmm...then there IS something amiss
21:39 < wile_coyote> mine does not
21:39 < wile_coyote> to run Config.....what should I type?
21:40 < wile_coyote> ./scripts/Config livecd?
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21:40 < wile_coyote> uh oh
21:40 < wile_coyote> BOOM! Headshot!
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21:42 < wile_coyote> wb
21:43 < mpp> sorry my connection broke
21:43 < mpp> what was the last one ?
21:43 < wile_coyote> to run Config.....what should I type?
21:43 < wile_coyote> ./scripts/Config livecd?
21:45 < wile_coyote> i'm copying the iso out from the vm
21:45 < mpp> first of all have a look ath the config/ dir
21:45 < mpp> of your build host
21:46 < wile_coyote>  / default
21:46 < wile_coyote> inside that is: config and packages
21:48 < wile_coyote> i can login now
21:49 < wile_coyote> and X tries to run with startx but no screens available.....so i guess it needs config'ing
21:50 < wile_coyote> hmm....says RgbPath is not a valid keyword in this section
21:50 < wile_coyote> i don't think that's fatal though
21:51 < wile_coyote> hmm....it is fatal
21:51 < wile_coyote> says it can't parse the org.conf file
21:51 < wile_coyote> xorg.conf ^^^
21:52 < wile_coyote> hmm....x is jacked up
21:53 < mpp> did you build from trunk or stable ?
21:53 < wile_coyote> couldn't load module type1
21:53 < mpp> looks like you built from trunk
21:53 < wile_coyote> couldn't open /dev/fb/0
21:53 < wile_coyote> trunk
21:53 < wile_coyote> :(
21:53 < mpp> trunk is broken
21:53 < wile_coyote> svn
21:53 < mpp> told ya earlier
21:53 < wile_coyote> aww hell!!
21:53 < mpp> if you wanna see some x action take my iso from the website
21:54 < wile_coyote> there SHOULD be a disclaimer
21:54 < mpp> about what
21:54 < mpp> trunk is usually broken
21:54 < wile_coyote> about the svn ver being borked
21:54 < wile_coyote> lol
21:54 < wile_coyote> oh
21:54 < mpp> thats why it's trunk
21:54 < wile_coyote> hmm..serves me right trying to be bleeding edge
21:54 < wile_coyote> i got bloody
21:54 < mpp> that's what i am on - next stop on my list is getting gnome up and running
21:55 < mpp> i could then build the livecd 
21:55 < wile_coyote> ahh....so you trying to fix it?
21:55 < mpp> kind of
21:55 < wile_coyote> sooo....best bet is to scrap what i have and get the stable?
21:56 < mpp> yes - for the time being
21:56 < wile_coyote> <sigh>
21:56 < mpp> there are prebuilt iso's on the dl sites
21:56 < wile_coyote> well, it is what it is, i suppose
21:56 < mpp> that would be .. ?
21:56 < wile_coyote> yeah
21:56 < mpp> broken :-) LOL
21:56 < wile_coyote> i got a prebuilt for the build env
21:56 < mpp> welcome to the real world !
21:57 < mpp> yes - but has nothing to do with the svn status
21:57 < mpp> which iso did you pull for the build env ?
21:57 < wile_coyote> ok.....not a problem then....so it wasn't me that i'm braindead and can't follow instructions
21:57 < wile_coyote> :/
21:57 < mpp> nope -
21:58 < mpp> you're all good
21:58 < wile_coyote> it was alot of work to get it to work....at least i have a stable T2 install to build with
21:58 < mpp> you can try my iso with fluxbox and co
21:58 < wile_coyote> thanks for the help
21:58 < mpp> if you want
21:58 < wile_coyote> where at?
21:58 < mpp> also the build conf is in it so you can reprod from trunk
21:59 < mpp> it is on dl2 / dl3 
21:59 < wile_coyote> k
21:59 < wile_coyote> thanks
21:59 < mpp> takes 10min to finish my upload to the site
21:59 < wile_coyote> ....the saga continues
21:59 < mpp> it's built with trunk status today
21:59 < mpp> so - give it a shot
21:59 < wile_coyote> but you said trunk is borked?
21:59 < mpp> it's only for installing on 
21:59 < mpp> yes it is
22:00 < wile_coyote> k
22:00 < mpp> i made bunch of patches /fixes
22:00 < wile_coyote> no buildy...just install
22:00 < mpp> on my modified repo
22:00 < wile_coyote> cool
22:00 < mpp> the iso is installable
22:00 < mpp> configure x and you have fluxbox firefox vlc thunderbird 
22:00 < mpp> stuff in it
22:00 < wile_coyote> cool
22:00 < mpp> alsa is on
22:01 < mpp> abiword also
22:01 < mpp> xterm 
22:01 < wile_coyote> something for me to do tomorrow
22:01 < wile_coyote> :)
22:01 < mpp> all the tiny things a dev needs
22:01 < mpp> yep
22:01 < mpp> ill open up my git repo asap
22:01 < mpp> so you can pull the patched tree
22:01 < wile_coyote> thanks
22:01 < mpp> it's been fun
22:01 < wile_coyote> i think i wanna try the stable tree
22:02 < wile_coyote> being that i'm using that to do the build
22:02 < wile_coyote> a bit outdated package wise
22:02 < mpp> the stable tree has issues too - esp. perl and co
22:02 < mpp> yep
22:02 < wile_coyote> perl i know
22:02 < wile_coyote> i fixed that
22:02 < wile_coyote> in this env anyway
22:03 < mpp> the desktop target of the stable version should work
22:03 < wile_coyote> what about building it?
22:03 < mpp> its 7.0rc2
22:03 < mpp> it builds
22:03 < wile_coyote> cool
22:03 < wile_coyote> livecd?
22:03 < mpp> but with old packages
22:03 < mpp> dito
22:03 < wile_coyote> yeah
22:03 < mpp> works
22:03 < wile_coyote> k
22:03 < wile_coyote> thanks for your help
22:03 < wile_coyote> wish me luck
22:03 < mpp> http://dl2.t2-project.org/binary/stable/7.0-rc/desktop-x86-i686/t2-7.0-rc-desktop-i686.iso
22:03 < mpp> i do 
22:04 < mpp> (keeping fingers crossed)
22:04 < wile_coyote> <---getting your iso now
22:05 < wile_coyote> 1.5 hours
22:05 < mpp> which one exactly
22:05 < wile_coyote> ^^^^^
22:05 < mpp> ah k
22:05 < mpp> that is working
22:05 < wile_coyote> umm...that's what i want
22:05 < wile_coyote> working
22:05 < wile_coyote> to play with
22:06 < wile_coyote> anyways...gonna go for now
22:06 < wile_coyote> c ya
22:06 < mpp> bye 
22:06 < wile_coyote> thanks
22:06 < mpp> beepbeep
22:06 < mpp> :-)
22:06 < wile_coyote> heh
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