T2 IRC Log: 2009-01-26

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--- Log opened Mon Jan 26 00:00:15 2009
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08:37 < rxr> re
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09:08 < CIA-23> rene * r31946 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-dummy/xf86-video-dummy.desc: * updated xf86-video-dummy (0.3.0 -> 0.3.1)
09:08 < CIA-23> rene * r31947 /trunk/package/develop/patchutils/patchutils.desc: * updated patchutils (0.3.0 -> 0.3.1)
09:08 < CIA-23> rene * r31948 /trunk/package/x86/syslinux/syslinux.desc: * updated syslinux (3.72 -> 3.73)
09:09 < CIA-23> rene * r31949 /trunk/package/base/binutils/binutils.desc: * updated binutils (2.19.50.0.1 -> 2.19.51.0.1)
09:28 < CIA-23> rene * r31950 /trunk/package/network/cherokee/cherokee.desc: * updated cherokee (0.11.5 -> 0.98.0)
09:28 < CIA-23> rene * r31951 /trunk/package/archiver/lbzip2/lbzip2.desc: * updated lbzip2 (0.11 -> 0.12)
09:28 < CIA-23> rene * r31952 /trunk/package/x11/xterm/xterm.desc: * updated xterm (239 -> 240)
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11:01 < mpp> moinsen
11:22 < rxr> moin moin mpp
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17:33 < wuischke> Hi,
17:34 < wuischke> I don't mean to be offensive, but is there still work happening on T2?
17:34 < rxr> ehr - sure
17:34 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/ChangeLog-t2
17:34 < wuischke> Ah, ok. So 7.0-rc2 is the same as final?
17:34 < rxr> kind of
17:34 < rxr> trunk is way ahead :-)
17:34 < wuischke> Thanks.
17:34 < wuischke> Is using trunk recommended?
17:35 < rxr> for advanced users yes
17:35 < rxr> for first tests the stable branches produce more reliable results
17:36 < wuischke> Do you know out of your head the (major) kernel version used in the stable branch?
17:36 < rxr> 2.6.21 or so
17:36 < rxr> we have a web view, one second
17:37 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/7.0/linux26.html
17:37 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/7.0/linux24.html
17:38 < wuischke> I should have found this...it's obvious enough. Thank you.
17:38 < rxr> your're welcome
17:38 < rxr> asking if of course very fine, just had to take a quick look to clarify myself :-)
17:40 < wuischke> Is using t2-trunk like using a rolling release distribution?
17:40 < wuischke> It's using really the most recent versions in trunk.
17:42 < rxr> you can use it this way - like a source distribution
17:43 < rxr> but many people also use t2 to build fixed firmware for embedded devices
17:44 < wuischke> I was actually looking for a source distribution. I didn't like Gentoo and Lunar Linux had some broken packages.
17:45 < wuischke> LFS is too much work, so I want to try T2 now.
17:47 < rxr> trunk also has some broken packages, due to gcc-4.3 update and/or kde-4 transition
17:48 < rxr> if you want to minimize such "bleeding edge" update breakage you can rather choose the 7.0 branch
17:48 < rxr> but normal stuff builds on trunk, that is gnome, kde-4 and even openoffice (from source)
17:48 < rxr> it's just mostly "toy" or other "not so important non-mainline" stuff that is lagging a little behind :-(
17:49 < wuischke> Well, fixing gcc-4.3 stuff usually requires adding some headers, i.e. I could do it myself in the worst case.
17:49 < wuischke> Is there support for LaTex? (texlive)
17:49 < rxr> well - the easy ones like that are long fixes
17:50 < rxr> yes, but we "still" have tetex
17:50 < rxr> alternative / new tex distributions are welcome to be added
17:50 < rxr> http://t2-project.org/packages/tetex.html
17:51 < rxr> lol - the description is fun - guess from one of my very first package some 8-10 years ago :-)
17:51 < rxr> heh - yes, svn blame shows r1 import :-)
17:55 < wuischke> Because I'm not so far in the documentation yet: How hard is writing a new package? I see dependencies are automagically included, that's very interesting.
17:56 < rxr> yes they are, its' generally easy to create a t2 pacakge, just write the textual description in the .desc file (best by coping an existing one) and see if T2 can auto-build it
17:56 < rxr> only if the package is using rather non-standard build methods code needs to be written to hook into the build system
17:56 < rxr> normal configure or make; make install package do not have code in t2
17:57 < wuischke> Wow, that's impressive.
17:57 < wuischke> How's configuration done?
17:57 < wuischke> Can options (i.e. argumetns to configure) be specified by the user?
17:57 < rxr> what kind of configuraton ? of packages?
17:57 < wuischke> yes.
17:58 < rxr> the features of packages in t2 usually depend on what other packages are selected / installed
17:58 < rxr> e.g. if you decided to build with libusb you get usb suppost in other packages
17:59 < rxr> if a package needs manual guidance code has to be added to the package to set those guidance, such as "pkginstalled libusb && var_append confopt ' ' '--enable-usb'
17:59 < rxr> the user can build from source the set of pacakge he/she choose
17:59 < rxr> and/or set additional options int eh Config
17:59 < wuischke> That's really intuitive.
17:59 < rxr> (however, the Config is a little slow today, needs a rewrite)
18:00 < rxr> in the Config the user could set non-package related options, such as whether to build mplayer with blinkenlights support or the feature set of vim
18:00 < rxr> but few users tweak in there
18:03 < wuischke> You can even build for wireless routers? How advanced is this feature?
18:03 < wuischke> Can one build for atheros wisoc?
18:13 < wuischke> Unfortunately not (in trunk), but nonetheless very flexible.
18:19 < rxr> the wireless router target is not yet ready
18:19 < rxr> ok - gotta go home - cu then
18:19 < rxr> and have fun
18:19 < wuischke> Thanks again for your help.
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23:02 < trb7> hi
23:09 < trb7> bbt
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--- Log closed Tue Jan 27 00:00:21 2009