--- Log opened Mon Jan 26 00:00:15 2009 01:01 -!- mqueiros_ [n=mqueiros@217.70.71.98] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:51 -!- digitaloktay [n=debian@dslb-084-057-241-222.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Verlassend"] 02:08 -!- CIA-23 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit ["brb"] 02:13 -!- CIA-23 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #t2 02:56 -!- synchris_m6300 [n=synchris@athedsl-196403.home.otenet.gr] has joined #t2 02:58 -!- synchris [n=synchris@athedsl-197087.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:26 -!- axionix [n=axion@cpe-67-242-94-6.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #t2 08:37 < rxr> re 09:04 -!- mqueiros_ [n=mqueiros@217.70.71.98] has joined #t2 09:08 < CIA-23> rene * r31946 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-dummy/xf86-video-dummy.desc: * updated xf86-video-dummy (0.3.0 -> 0.3.1) 09:08 < CIA-23> rene * r31947 /trunk/package/develop/patchutils/patchutils.desc: * updated patchutils (0.3.0 -> 0.3.1) 09:08 < CIA-23> rene * r31948 /trunk/package/x86/syslinux/syslinux.desc: * updated syslinux (3.72 -> 3.73) 09:09 < CIA-23> rene * r31949 /trunk/package/base/binutils/binutils.desc: * updated binutils (2.19.50.0.1 -> 2.19.51.0.1) 09:28 < CIA-23> rene * r31950 /trunk/package/network/cherokee/cherokee.desc: * updated cherokee (0.11.5 -> 0.98.0) 09:28 < CIA-23> rene * r31951 /trunk/package/archiver/lbzip2/lbzip2.desc: * updated lbzip2 (0.11 -> 0.12) 09:28 < CIA-23> rene * r31952 /trunk/package/x11/xterm/xterm.desc: * updated xterm (239 -> 240) 11:01 -!- mpp [n=mpp@i53874CD2.versanet.de] has joined #t2 11:01 < mpp> moinsen 11:22 < rxr> moin moin mpp 12:02 -!- mpp [n=mpp@i53874CD2.versanet.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008121621]"] 13:04 -!- synchris_m6300 [n=synchris@athedsl-196403.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:08 -!- mqueiros_ [n=mqueiros@217.70.71.98] has quit [] 13:12 -!- digitaloktay [n=debian@dslb-084-056-215-177.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #t2 13:34 -!- synchris [n=synchris@athedsl-196403.home.otenet.gr] has joined #t2 17:12 [Users #t2] 17:12 [@ChanServ] [ DEac- ] [ koan] [ rxr ] [ TobiX ] 17:12 [ axionix ] [ digitaloktay] [ LMJ ] [ Stealth ] [ {Brad} ] 17:12 [ CIA-23 ] [ dsoul ] [ mtr ] [ synchris] [ |beowulf|] 17:12 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal] 17:33 -!- wuischke [n=wuischke@dslb-088-073-214-096.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #t2 17:33 < wuischke> Hi, 17:34 < wuischke> I don't mean to be offensive, but is there still work happening on T2? 17:34 < rxr> ehr - sure 17:34 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/ChangeLog-t2 17:34 < wuischke> Ah, ok. So 7.0-rc2 is the same as final? 17:34 < rxr> kind of 17:34 < rxr> trunk is way ahead :-) 17:34 < wuischke> Thanks. 17:34 < wuischke> Is using trunk recommended? 17:35 < rxr> for advanced users yes 17:35 < rxr> for first tests the stable branches produce more reliable results 17:36 < wuischke> Do you know out of your head the (major) kernel version used in the stable branch? 17:36 < rxr> 2.6.21 or so 17:36 < rxr> we have a web view, one second 17:37 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/7.0/linux26.html 17:37 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/7.0/linux24.html 17:38 < wuischke> I should have found this...it's obvious enough. Thank you. 17:38 < rxr> your're welcome 17:38 < rxr> asking if of course very fine, just had to take a quick look to clarify myself :-) 17:40 < wuischke> Is using t2-trunk like using a rolling release distribution? 17:40 < wuischke> It's using really the most recent versions in trunk. 17:42 < rxr> you can use it this way - like a source distribution 17:43 < rxr> but many people also use t2 to build fixed firmware for embedded devices 17:44 < wuischke> I was actually looking for a source distribution. I didn't like Gentoo and Lunar Linux had some broken packages. 17:45 < wuischke> LFS is too much work, so I want to try T2 now. 17:47 < rxr> trunk also has some broken packages, due to gcc-4.3 update and/or kde-4 transition 17:48 < rxr> if you want to minimize such "bleeding edge" update breakage you can rather choose the 7.0 branch 17:48 < rxr> but normal stuff builds on trunk, that is gnome, kde-4 and even openoffice (from source) 17:48 < rxr> it's just mostly "toy" or other "not so important non-mainline" stuff that is lagging a little behind :-( 17:49 < wuischke> Well, fixing gcc-4.3 stuff usually requires adding some headers, i.e. I could do it myself in the worst case. 17:49 < wuischke> Is there support for LaTex? (texlive) 17:49 < rxr> well - the easy ones like that are long fixes 17:50 < rxr> yes, but we "still" have tetex 17:50 < rxr> alternative / new tex distributions are welcome to be added 17:50 < rxr> http://t2-project.org/packages/tetex.html 17:51 < rxr> lol - the description is fun - guess from one of my very first package some 8-10 years ago :-) 17:51 < rxr> heh - yes, svn blame shows r1 import :-) 17:55 < wuischke> Because I'm not so far in the documentation yet: How hard is writing a new package? I see dependencies are automagically included, that's very interesting. 17:56 < rxr> yes they are, its' generally easy to create a t2 pacakge, just write the textual description in the .desc file (best by coping an existing one) and see if T2 can auto-build it 17:56 < rxr> only if the package is using rather non-standard build methods code needs to be written to hook into the build system 17:56 < rxr> normal configure or make; make install package do not have code in t2 17:57 < wuischke> Wow, that's impressive. 17:57 < wuischke> How's configuration done? 17:57 < wuischke> Can options (i.e. argumetns to configure) be specified by the user? 17:57 < rxr> what kind of configuraton ? of packages? 17:57 < wuischke> yes. 17:58 < rxr> the features of packages in t2 usually depend on what other packages are selected / installed 17:58 < rxr> e.g. if you decided to build with libusb you get usb suppost in other packages 17:59 < rxr> if a package needs manual guidance code has to be added to the package to set those guidance, such as "pkginstalled libusb && var_append confopt ' ' '--enable-usb' 17:59 < rxr> the user can build from source the set of pacakge he/she choose 17:59 < rxr> and/or set additional options int eh Config 17:59 < wuischke> That's really intuitive. 17:59 < rxr> (however, the Config is a little slow today, needs a rewrite) 18:00 < rxr> in the Config the user could set non-package related options, such as whether to build mplayer with blinkenlights support or the feature set of vim 18:00 < rxr> but few users tweak in there 18:03 < wuischke> You can even build for wireless routers? How advanced is this feature? 18:03 < wuischke> Can one build for atheros wisoc? 18:13 < wuischke> Unfortunately not (in trunk), but nonetheless very flexible. 18:19 < rxr> the wireless router target is not yet ready 18:19 < rxr> ok - gotta go home - cu then 18:19 < rxr> and have fun 18:19 < wuischke> Thanks again for your help. 18:31 -!- axionix [n=axion@cpe-67-242-94-6.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:15 -!- wuischke [n=wuischke@dslb-088-073-214-096.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:34 -!- DEac-_ [n=deac@85-127-104-51.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #t2 20:41 -!- DEac- [n=deac@cl-610.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 23:02 -!- trb7 [n=hal9000@bl10-174-38.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #t2 23:02 < trb7> hi 23:09 < trb7> bbt 23:09 -!- trb7 [n=hal9000@bl10-174-38.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:38 -!- digitaloktay [n=debian@dslb-084-056-215-177.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Verlassend"] --- Log closed Tue Jan 27 00:00:21 2009