T2 IRC Log: 2009-10-16

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--- Log opened Fri Oct 16 00:00:43 2009
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09:39 < rxr> welcome this morning, xorg udpated nearly any font, heh? that's much cut'n paste fun :-)
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09:54 [Users #t2]
09:54 [@ChanServ] [ LMJ ] [ mtr ] [ synchris_] [ Xor_]
09:54 [ CIA-38 ] [ mjungwirth_] [ rxr ] [ T-One ]
09:54 [ koan ] [ mqueiros ] [ Stealth] [ TobiX ]
09:54 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 13 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal]
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10:41 < CIA-38> rene * r34545 /trunk/package/powerpc/yaboot/yaboot.conf: * improved yaboot to also add rs6k notes during cross builds
10:44 < CIA-38> rene * r34546 /trunk/package/xorg/libxxf86dga/libxxf86dga.desc: * updated libxxf86dga (1.1 -> 1.1.1)
10:45 < CIA-38> rene * r34547 /trunk/ (29 files in 29 dirs): (log message trimmed)
10:45 < CIA-38> * upadted xorg/font-*, including:
10:45 < CIA-38> * updated font-daewoo-misc (1.0.0 -> 1.0.1)
10:45 < CIA-38> * updated font-util (1.0.2 -> 1.1.1)
10:45 < CIA-38> * updated font-winitzki-cyrillic (1.0.0 -> 1.0.1)
10:45 < CIA-38> * updated font-alias (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2)
10:45 < CIA-38> * updated font-adobe-utopia (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2)
10:46 < CIA-38> rene * r34548 /trunk/package/gnome2/libcanberra/libcanberra.desc: * updated libcanberra (0.19 -> 0.21)
10:46 < CIA-38> rene * r34549 /trunk/package/x11/fltk/fltk.desc: * updated fltk (2.0.x-r6841 -> 2.0.x-r6916)
11:15 < CIA-38> rene * r34550 /trunk/target/share/install/build_stage2.sh: * only pre-generate installer ldconfig cache on native builds
11:38 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 271730688 Oct 16 13:17 iso/minimal-ppc64_cd1.iso
11:38 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 182861824 Oct 16 13:16 iso/minimal-ppc_cd1.iso
11:38 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 185446400 Oct 16 13:18 iso/minimal-sparc64_cd1.iso
11:38 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 212199424 Oct 16 13:19 iso/minimal-x86-64_cd1.iso
11:38 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 165703680 Oct 16 13:20 iso/minimal-x86_cd1.iso
11:38 < rxr> cool, the x86 versions boot :-)
11:40 < koan> :-)
11:40 < rxr> fully cross built, for future, weekly auto-builds :-)
11:40 < koan> nice
11:40 < rxr> but I need a new multi core
11:40 < rxr> the 8way Xeon looses too much performance in the Intel Vt implementation
11:40 < rxr> and continous page invalidation (TLB flush et al.) I think
11:40 < koan> AMD is better?
11:41 < rxr> yes
11:41 < rxr> also AMD virtualizes Real Mode
11:41 < rxr> Intel does not, needs a full x86 emulator
11:41 < rxr> and KVM uglily implemented an own one in kernel mode
11:41 < rxr> I find this highls suspicous, wonders why it went into the kernel at all
11:41 < rxr> they should fall back to qemu IMHO until real mode is left
11:42 < rxr> would even be faster, ...
11:42 < rxr> all Intel KVM boot is so slow because all real mode BIOS and OS loader is single stepped and interpreted ...
11:43 < rxr> but even in protected mode ADM loses less cycles ..., tough latested Intel silcon tries to catch up, Nested Paging and so at all
11:44 < rxr> AMD even :-)
11:44 < rxr> I think AMD did their VT impleentation after Intel
11:45 < rxr> so basically they learned from Intel mistakes while skahing their head and thus the AMD Pacifica ended up being "all right (tm)"
11:48 < koan> :-)
11:49 < rxr> I recently benchmarked kvm on our Intel 8core Xeon performance penalty, I forgot the exact number but I think it was 50% or even more ...
11:50 < rxr> so your 8core VM instances get max 4core performance ...
11:52 < rxr> (under real world load, not plain superpi, cpuburn runs, ... :-)
11:52 < rxr> superpi might perform better
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13:09 < rxr> Emiliana Torrini:Fireheads
13:10 < rxr> Palm Pre battery life really isn't stellar ...
13:16 < rxr> Paula Cole:Amen
13:26 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2009-10-16/another-day-with-the-pre/
14:07 < rxr> so - gotta luch - cu later
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15:45 < rxr> Kina Cosper:Girl From the Gutter
15:46 < rxr> ok - /me grabbing
15:46 < rxr> 'fresh coffee
16:05 < rxr> kina cosper:hurt so bad
16:06 * rxr forgot what nice songs lingering my digital storage ...
16:07 < rxr> and yes RIAA got a physical CD of all of those, as I'm 'ld schoolish, want to "reallly" own what I buy, not until your DRM server goes away, ...
16:07 < rxr> http://google.com/search?q=drm+server+shutdown
16:08 < rxr> ah, the raid is so lovely clicking with that load: load average: 32.49, 17.39, 7.47 of building 6 t2 packages on a 8-way in parallel :-)
16:11 < rxr> 6 packages of 5 targets, loven' it
16:13 < rxr> load average: 49.86, 35.89, 18.23
16:30 < CIA-38> rene * r34551 /trunk/package/filesystem/cdrkit/ (cdrkit.conf cdrkit.desc): * make cdrkit cross build
17:14 -!- mpp [n=mpp@2a01:48:251:301:21a:6bff:fe35:820a] has joined #t2
17:14 < mpp> moin
17:15 < mpp> anyone encountered the message udev firmware.sh sysfs directory not found ?
17:15 < mpp> firmware does not load ....
17:18 < rxr> i
17:18 < rxr> hi
17:18 < rxr> sorry, which device was this? during boot?
17:19 < mpp> i have to check the log
17:19 < mpp> i dunno what logfile would be helpfull in this case
17:19 < mpp> /var/log/messages ?
17:19 < rxr> dunoo, depends when it happens
17:20 < rxr> during early boot there might not be any log at all
17:20 < mpp> k
17:20 < mpp> i'll pick up as many info's as possible and check back.
17:20 < mpp> i need the bnx2 with firmware
17:20 < mpp> since the firmware got split to external files
17:21 < rxr> that is broadcom wireless?
17:21 < mpp> the udev now screws the barticular driver
17:21 < mpp> no it's gigabit server nic
17:21 < rxr> oh
17:21 < rxr> these days even those require firmware? :-(
17:21 < mpp> they were embedded berore .29 but now they are palced in the firmware directory
17:22 < mpp> so udev failing some prerequisits ....
17:22 < mpp> how can i reload udev on t ?
17:22 < mpp> t2
17:22 < mpp> no init scripts for that afaikt
17:22 < rxr> I guess, it's on early userspace given it's a NIC?
17:22 < rxr> are the messages very very early after the boot loader?
17:22 < rxr> before the regular init kicks i?
17:23 < rxr> reloading the module might help for a test
17:23 < rxr> rmmod
17:23 < rxr> modprobe
17:23 < rxr> might be as easy as the firmware not being in the initrd ?
17:24 < mpp> nope
17:24 < mpp> none of the points apply
17:24 < rxr> oughm
17:24 < mpp> remove and reload does not work eihter
17:25 < mpp> in a booted system
17:25 < rxr> same errors ?
17:25 < mpp> yep
17:25 < rxr> can you paste here in the chan?
17:25 < mpp> as it is the nic - this sucks big time !
17:25 < rxr> I believe ...
17:25 < mpp> yes ill have to check in the lab
17:25 < mpp> downstairs
17:25 < mpp> bb in 10min or so
17:25 < rxr> t2/trunk:HEAD without much mods if at all ?
17:25 < mpp> :-)
17:25 < mpp> trunk head
17:26 < mpp> "vanilla t2" :-)
17:26 < mpp> off course
17:26 < mpp> i tried various things - but my knowledge of udev is limited ( no wonder it is crappy !!!!)
17:30 < rxr> I could nt agree more, u/dev is crap, ...
17:30 < rxr> wish I where my laptop hd: 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 106 097 000 Old_age Always - 41
17:30 < rxr> maybe I should sit on my laptop
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17:49 < rxr> sorry, re, booted from LNX to OSX :-)
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19:31 [Users #t2]
19:31 [@ChanServ] [ LMJ ] [ mqueiros] [ rxr ] [ T-One]
19:31 [ CIA-38 ] [ mjungwirth_] [ mtr ] [ Stealth ] [ TobiX]
19:31 [ koan ] [ mpp ] [ regomodo] [ synchris_]
19:31 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal]
19:39 < rxr> this stupid BSD find is really getting on my nerves:
19:39 < rxr> rene$ find -name "*.h"
19:39 < rxr> find: illegal option -- n
19:39 < rxr> find: illegal option -- a
19:39 < rxr> find: illegal option -- m
19:39 < rxr> find: illegal option -- e
19:39 < rxr> find: *.h: No such file or directory
19:39 < rxr> always demanding an explicit path (when most of the time at least I search relative to the current dir anyway, ...)
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20:39 < CIA-38> rene * r34552 /trunk/package/sparc/elftoaout/elftoaout.desc: * marked elftoaout to cross build
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21:01 < dpc> Hi there. I have my first T2 distro almost compiled. There is one problem. I can't get past the gcc building.
21:02 < dpc> !> cd pic; \n ar rc ./libiberty.a \n ./regex.o ./cplus-dem.o ./cp-demangle.o ./md5.o ./alloca.o ./argv.o ./choose-temp.o ./concat.o ./cp-demint.o ..
21:02 < dpc> This is how it fails...
21:02 < dpc> I have no idea how to debug this.
21:03 < dpc> These '\n' looks suspicious.
21:03 < dpc> *look
21:06 < dpc> BTW.: http://bugs.t2-project.org/ gives: The server you requested is not located on this server. If you think this is a defect in our server configuration feel free to send us a mail.
22:48 < dpc> OK. I have limited the number of the concurrent jobs and it seems I've got a correct error. GCC fails on:
22:48 < dpc> configure:7619: checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in
22:48 < dpc> configure:7624: gcc -m32 -c -g -O2 conftest.c >&5
22:48 < dpc> configure:7627: $? = 0
22:48 < dpc> configure:7642: gcc -m32 -shared conftest.o -v -Wl,-soname -Wl,conftest -o conftest 2\>\&1 \| grep -lc \>/dev/null 2\>\&1
22:48 < dpc> configure:7645: $? = 0
22:48 < dpc> configure:7657: result: no
22:48 < dpc> configure:7821: checking dynamic linker characteristics
22:49 < dpc> configure:8239: error: Link tests are not allowed after GCC_NO_EXECUTABLES.
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--- Log closed Sat Oct 17 00:00:43 2009