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08:22 < capey> hmm... should there be another qt package that also builds qtdesigner et al or should the current qt4 package to be changed to use the "all of qt" package? seems a bit overkill to change the current package since mostly only need the qt libs not the dev stuff
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09:13 < rxr> I think changed, didn't the qt3 package installed it all, too ?
09:14 < capey> dont really remember how qt3 package worked
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09:20 < Xor> hi all
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09:24 < capey> hi Xor
09:52 < rxr> i all
09:52 < rxr> hi all, even - moin moin
10:05 < CIA-28> rene * r34805 /trunk/package/database/sqlite/sqlite.desc: * updated sqlite (3.6.19 -> 3.6.20)
10:09 < rxr> http://code.google.com/p/stressapptest/
10:35 < CIA-28> rene * r34806 /trunk/package/base/stressapptest/ (. stressapptest.cache stressapptest.desc): * added (Google's) stressapptest (1.0.1)
11:12 < rxr> hm, interesting:
11:12 < rxr> selected item doesn't fit into memory.
11:12 < rxr> ^- while loading memtest86 on the nokia booklet, this helped:
11:12 < rxr> http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=3104
11:16 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/stressapptest.html
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11:20 < Baldzius> moin
11:20 < rxr> moin moin Baldzius 
11:20 < Baldzius> hey rxr
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11:24 < CIA-28> rene * r34811 /trunk/package/network/duplicity/duplicity.desc: * updated duplicity (0.6.05 -> 0.6.06)
11:24 < CIA-28> rene * r34810 /trunk/package/security/strongswan/strongswan.desc: * updated strongswan (4.3.4 -> 4.3.5)
11:32 < rxr> new linux kernels are getting more and more unstable
11:32 < rxr> unbelievable
11:32 < rxr> since 2.6.28 resume (from sleep) is broken on my PPC G4 Cube (worked for over 5 years!!!)
11:33 < rxr> then 2.6.31 has typos in the PPP code, oopsed our gateway on DSL (PPPOE) load quite some times until I updated to 2.6.32
11:33 < rxr> (make the above 2.6.30 vs 2.,6.31)
11:33 < rxr> then, 2.6.31 has some more typos in the RFKill stuff, oopses on many machines, including the Nokia Booklet, already fixed in git
11:33 < rxr> then, if this is all not enough, I get random memory corruption on some machines
11:34 < rxr> (guess why I just added stressapptest, ...
11:34 < rxr> and now run memtest86 (which did not load on the machines, due to the posted years old loader issue, damnit, now modded, loaded as netbsd kernel, heck)
11:34 < rxr> memtest86 does not show memory corruption on the machines
11:35 < rxr> guess I can not test old kernels, and where that broke
11:35 < rxr> or finally move on to some micro kernel thing, because
11:35 < rxr> frankly this instability gets on my nerves
11:35 < rxr> neither some rfkill fluffery, nor pppoe or other network rounting code should memory clobber a modern system, IN ANY CASE
11:36 < rxr> I want' any f*cking low speed, low priority code run as unpriveledged process, crash like it wants, but not the damn base schedule and memory manager (of my envisioned micro kernel)
11:36  * rxr headshake
11:36 < capey> :)
11:36 < rxr> should just boot windows 7 on the nokia booklet, try to use that for a week, month
11:37 < rxr> too bad OSs don't sell very well, otherwise I might start my own, sell it, ...
11:37 < capey> havent tryed windows 7 yet, but guess i'm force to try it some time
11:38 < rxr> well, I even purchased a copy, because the windows 7 started edition that came with my Booklet had no background wallpaper change option, no Aero, ...
11:38 < rxr> so now I own a genuine "Starter edition" (that sucks) and some "Home Premium" version :-)
11:39 < Baldzius> how fast Win7 Starter was booting on your booklet?
11:39 < rxr> the later allows to change the wallpaper, comes with Aero ...
11:39 < rxr> faster than OS X :-)
11:39 < capey> :)
11:40 < rxr> I can meassure the regular windows 7 when the memtest run some more passes
11:40 < Baldzius> there are rumours going around that it should boot in 10sec
11:40 < capey> i guess the starter edition is pretty useless, well maybe on low power stuff
11:40 < rxr> the start edition only lives on a recovery backup in the shelf
11:40 < rxr> I think the starter and regular did not make a big difference
11:40 < rxr> maybe none at all
11:40 < Baldzius> heh
11:40 < rxr> it's just a normal windows with the background changer, areo #ifdef'ed out, ..
11:41 < rxr> I doubt it booted in 10s to full operation on this 1.6GHz Atom Z
11:41 < rxr> has a slow 1.8" HD anyway, maybe with SSD, some slightly faster processor
11:41 < rxr> but windows 7 boots faster than former versions of windows, in any case
11:42 < Baldzius> this might not be the truth
11:42 < rxr> no?
11:42 < Baldzius> boot time is when you have fully functioning system
11:42 < rxr> well, after all I avoided windows the last decade, only saw it sporadically :_)
11:42 < Baldzius> not your desktop background
11:43 < rxr> yeah, that's why I wrote above: " I doubt it booted in 10s to full operation ..."
11:44 < Baldzius> win7 in *real* test is slower than Vista
11:44 < Baldzius> looking for youtube video which shows that
11:45 < rxr> yeah - I also keep telling people that win7 is a 'sed s/Vista/7/ PR thing, and that performance is about equal :-)~
11:45 < rxr> well, one youtube video is one thing, some massive test is more of  a proof
11:45 < rxr> however, I read in some PC centric sites, that the Win 7 Beta's felt faster than the final gold master
11:46 < rxr> they speculated the beta and RC builds had some checking, DRM stuff #ifdef'ed out to receive better PR for the lunch
11:46 < capey> well yeah, it's basically vista, with some minor changes in system, not asking admin privleges on every action and so forth
11:46 < rxr> and the final master of 7 is more like Vista was
11:47 < rxr> but I'm not a Windows expert, dd not run tests, did not dissect :-)
11:47 < capey> sadly i used it daily
11:47 < capey> used=use
11:47 < rxr> yeah - that's life
11:47 < rxr> will probably also use it more in the next decade than in the last
11:48 < rxr> switch between Linux, OS X, WIndows
11:48 < rxr> after all stability wise it'snow better than 95, 3.11
11:48 < rxr> :-)
11:49 < capey> heh yeah :)
11:53 < Baldzius> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88aal60AqBs&feature=player_embedded
11:53 < Baldzius> it's a real test with FF starting up automatically and loading the page
11:54 < Baldzius> win 7 loses 5 sec to wista
11:56 < rxr> :-)
11:58 < capey> well those speeds really depend on hardware and installed system...
11:59 < capey> software,etc... but overall i agree on the result
11:59 < rxr> maybe they used the identical hardware, fresh, clean, install for the test?
11:59 < capey> maybe
11:59 < capey> i hope so
11:59  * rxr under T2 x86_64 without flash at the moment, so no video :-)
12:00 < capey> :)
12:06 < rxr> yeah - gnash never really worked for me, yet
12:08 < Baldzius> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
12:08 < rxr> was that 64bit?
12:08 < Baldzius> it is
12:08 < rxr> oh really, now, ?
12:08 < Baldzius> http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz
12:08 < Baldzius> not sure how stable it is
12:08 < rxr> :-)
12:10 < rxr> ok - lunch - cu
12:51 < rxr> http://t2-project.org/packages/stressapptest.html
13:05 < rxr> Hardware Error: miscompare on CPU 1(0x2) at 0x5bd98480(0x0:DIMM Unknown): read:0x0000000004000000, reread:0x0000000004000000 expected:0x0400000004000000
13:06 < rxr> Hardware Error: miscompare on CPU 1(0x2) at 0x49363240(0x0:DIMM Unknown): read:0x0000000004000000, reread:0x0000000004000000 expected:0x0400000004000000
13:07 < rxr> this google stressapptest thing
13:07 < rxr> I accidently might have found a culprit: acpi-cpufreq
13:10 < rxr> now without:
13:10 < rxr> Stats: Starting SAT, 848M, 300 seconds
13:10 < rxr> Log: Seconds remaining: 290
13:10 < rxr> Log: Seconds remaining: 280
13:10 < rxr> Log: Seconds remaining: 270
13:10 < rxr> Log: Seconds remaining: 260
13:10 < rxr> Log: Seconds remaining: 250
13:10 < rxr> Log: Seconds remaining: 240
13:10 < rxr> Log: Seconds remaining: 230
13:10 < rxr> Log: Seconds remaining: 220
13:10 < rxr> Log: Seconds remaining: 210
13:10 < rxr> Log: Seconds remaining: 200
13:10 < rxr> Log: Seconds remaining: 190
13:10 < rxr> Log: Seconds remaining: 180
13:10 < rxr> Log: Seconds remaining: 170
13:10 < rxr> no error, yet
13:13 < rxr> Stats: Completed: 166746.00M in 300.03s 555.76MB/s, with 0 hardware incidents, 0 errors
13:13 < rxr> Stats: Memory Copy: 166746.00M at 555.80MB/s
13:15 < rxr> but suspend resume still corrupts
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13:24 < rxr> strange
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13:24 < rxr> does not help reproducable
13:24 < rxr> fresh reboot, without the acpi module and issues again
13:29 < rxr> acpi=off appears to help more reliable :-(
13:30 < rxr> no, doesn't Hardware Error: miscompare on CPU 0(0x1) at 0x621dc4c0(0x0:DIMM Unknown): read:0xfffffffffff7ffff, reread:0xfffffffffff7ffff expected:0xfff7fffffff7ffff
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15:53 < rxr> another server looks healthier:
15:53 < rxr> Stats: Found 0 hardware incidents
15:53 < rxr> Stats: Completed: 432122.00M in 120.02s 3600.36MB/s, with 0 hardware incidents, 0 errors
15:53 < rxr> Stats: Memory Copy: 432122.00M at 3601.01MB/s
15:53 < rxr> Stats: File Copy: 0.00M at 0.00MB/s
16:15 < koan> what's the problem rxr?
16:15 < rxr> hi :-)
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17:09 < rxr> koan: problem is linux stability on the Nokia Booklet 3G :-)
17:10 < rxr> (beside other regressions in latest linux kernels)
17:15 < rxr> I even run the windows 7 install dvd memory test since some time, now ...
17:20 < CIA-28> rene * r34812 /trunk/package/network/liferea/liferea.desc: * updated liferea (1.4.28 -> 1.6.0)
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18:00 < rxr> wow, I'm impressed
18:01 < rxr> not only does DragonflyBSD boot on the Nokia Booklet (and some other hardware here around me in the office), it even is able to suspend, resume (ACPI S3)
18:01 < rxr> this motivates me to port this google memory check thing, to BSD
18:01 < rxr> well, at least try, see if dragonfly does show simillar memory corruption as Linux does on the Nokia Booklet
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18:58 < koan> nice
19:06 < rxr> zeah
19:06 < rxr> yeah
19:07 < rxr> just setup a dragonfly virtual machine on our main server
19:07 < rxr> this thing needs some more evaluation (was on the TOP of my TODO for some time, now ;-)
19:41 < rxr> ok - gotta go home, cu
19:41 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2009-11-05/firts-steps-with-an-bsd-dragonfly/
20:04 < mqueiros> rxr: had some fun some years ago, playing with OpenBSD. Never tried DragonFly or even NetBSD or FreeBSD...
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21:14 < rxr> mqueiros: :-)
21:14  * rxr never neither
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21:24 < xperia2> hello to all. have a question abaout using t2 for building a own arm based distro
21:24 < xperia2> would like to have a automated script or builder that fetch all 24 hours the sources and build the changed packages
21:25 < xperia2> does anybody know if something like this is possible ?
21:28 < koan> couldn't you just run a cron job that does a svn up and then start a build?
21:28 < rxr> sure
21:28 < rxr> svn up and then:
21:29 < rxr> scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg arm-dist -newremove
21:29 < rxr> or -newdelete
21:30 < rxr> one just wipes the logs and thus re-schedules the new package, the other uninstalls them before (delets all files of the package)
21:30 < rxr> and then the usuaul scripts/Build-Target -cfg arm-dist # etc.
21:32 < xperia2> hmmm i have thinked more in the direction of tinderbox http://www-archive.mozilla.org/projects/tinderbox/
21:33 < xperia2> a very good example http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/search/
21:33 < rxr> xperia2: whatever, koan mean the "how to invoke", I the technical T2 "re-schedule changed" hint
21:33 < xperia2> okay
21:34 < rxr> damnit, the fun of BSD vs. GNU/Linux strerorr_r, one returns an int/status, the other the string pointer, fun
21:35 < rxr>        The XSI-compliant strerror_r() is preferred for portable  applications.
21:35 < rxr>        It  returns  the error string in the user-supplied buffer buf of length
21:35 < rxr>        buflen.
21:35 < rxr>        The XSI-compliant strerror_r() function returns 0 on success; on error,
21:35 < rxr>        -1 is returned and errno is set to indicate the error.
21:36 < xperia2> well okay in this case it would be not very hard to svn up the sources and rebuild the distro. i understand. sorry for this question but i am totally new to t2.
21:37 < xperia2> exist somewhere a crashcourse for creating a small gui less distro for the start.
21:37 < xperia2> with t2
21:37 < rxr> sure, welcome!
21:38 < rxr> you can find the some guides as "quick starts" on the t2 side, as well as a "partical intro" in the article "zine" section and then the full detail handbook
21:39 < rxr> ok - cu again
21:40 < rxr> good n8
21:40 < xperia2> good night rxr. and thanks !
21:42 < rxr> I
21:42 < rxr> 'm back in some 8h+
21:43 < xperia2> okay we see us sure tomorow. only one quick question
21:43 < xperia2> i am planning to do the compile stuff on a ubuntu server
21:43 < xperia2> would this makes problems or do i need a t2os for doing all the build proccess
21:44 < xperia2> just studing atm http://www.t2-project.org/documentation/buildintro.html
21:50 < rxr> it should work to build on other linux', e.g. ubuntu, though sometimes tiny issues occur
21:51 < rxr> e.g. on ubuntu it might be neccessary to change the system shell to /bin/bash (from the default dash)
21:51 < rxr> that is the only ubuntu standard issue I can think of right now
21:51 < rxr> n8
22:29 < CIA-28> aldas * r34813 /trunk/package/kde/k3b/k3b.desc: * updated k3b (1.0.95-r1015056 -> 1.68.0alpha3)
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23:54 < cb88> I have mailed lists@t2-project.org with the subject subscribe t2  and haven't received any response... minimalist@t2-project.org also isn't responding except for an email I received due to a spelling error in my 'suscribe t2' line
23:55 < cb88> is it possible that yahoo mail is attaching something extra to my email causing it to fail or somthing?
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