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10:21 < rxr> moin
10:22 < rxr> mtr: I know about this amalgemation thing, I did not yet review how the packages differ, e.g. we should still be able to build this tcl binding stuff whatever
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11:13 < mckoan> good morning
11:14 < rxr> moin
11:29 < mckoan> moinsen
11:29 < mckoan> I wonder if does exist a list of platform targets running out-of-the-box with T2
11:33 < rxr> well "sort off"
11:34 < rxr> I guess you're intested in embedded baords ?
11:34 < mckoan> yes, do you have any link please?
11:34 < mckoan> I basically would like to give it a try on a generic x86 with vesa graphics
11:35 < mckoan> and I would like to try an ARM one too ;-)
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11:43 < mckoan> maybe does exist a better where to ask and get an answer?
11:45 < rxr> http://t2-project.org/hardware/
11:45 < rxr> a little embeded stuff listed
11:45 < rxr> of course it will usually work on any regular x86 fluff
11:46 < rxr> note that t2 is for developer, and thus does not work as out of the box as windows or mac os x ...
11:46 < rxr> some manual intervention required
12:16 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0911/71126.html
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12:59 < CIA-17> rene * r34876 /trunk/package/x11/worker/worker.desc: * updated worker (2.17.4 -> 2.17.5)
13:00 < CIA-17> rene * r34877 /trunk/package/base/sysstat/sysstat.desc: * updated sysstat (9.0.2 -> 9.0.6)
13:00 < CIA-17> rene * r34878 /trunk/package/network/stunnel/stunnel.desc: * updated stunnel (4.27 -> 4.28)
13:00 < CIA-17> rene * r34880 /trunk/package/gnome2/gedit/gedit.desc: * updated gedit (2.28.1 -> 2.28.2)
13:00 < CIA-17> rene * r34879 /trunk/package/develop/sysprof/sysprof.desc: * updated sysprof (1.0.12 -> 1.1.4)
13:00 < CIA-17> rene * r34881 /trunk/package/gnome2/glabels/glabels.desc: * updated glabels (2.2.5 -> 2.2.6)
14:08 < mckoan> rxr: thx, but I have a doubt. In the ARM page I don't see any real platform (SBC, SoM) http://t2-project.org/architectures/arm/ 
14:09 < rxr> there are thousands, so what?
14:09 < mckoan> rxr: neither into x86
14:09 < rxr> t2 runs on many, even shipping products with pretty case
14:09 < mckoan> rxr: one would be enough
14:09 < rxr> just throw in the linux kernel platform and device patches and let t2 build all the binaries with suitable optimization and done you are
14:09 < rxr> get the beagleboard, ...
14:10 < rxr> or whatever you need
14:10 < mckoan> rxr: marvell PXA270-devboard, or Atmel-xxx-EK for xample
14:20 < rxr> t2 is not mac os x, it's about building blocks
14:20 < rxr> get any or use what you have, configure / setup t2 to build for it
14:22 < mckoan> rxr: thx, so I must argue that there is not any concept of BSP in T2, is there?
14:22 < rxr> BSP is a concept of compnaies selling boards
14:23 < rxr> you could build a BSP for a baord, some companies even do
14:23 < rxr> t2 is like the linux kernel's "menuconfig / kbuidl" and builds what you select
14:23 < rxr> for BSPs, shipping projects, etc. pp.
14:28 < mckoan> rxr: thank you for your explanation. I expected to find something like OpenWRT where if select one of the supported platforms I can get at least a minimal running system for such board.
14:28 < mckoan> rxr: looks like I'm misunderstanding the T2 aim.
14:31 < rxr> well, t2 supports god and the world,  it would be zillions of options
14:34 < koan> that would be nice catchphrase for the project: "T2 supports God and the world"
14:34 < mckoan> rxr: ok, I'll read the manual better then. Thank you again :-)
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15:23 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2009-11-12/mac-os-x-1062-update-space-requirements/
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16:35 < Baldzius> moin
16:35 < rxr> moin moin
16:35 < Baldzius> hey rxr
16:36 < rxr> mtr: !> checking C++ compiler g++  ... no
16:36 < rxr> !> configure: error: C++ compiler not available, see config.log for details
16:36 < rxr> == 11/12/09 16:34:32 =[0]=> Aborted building package gmp.
16:36 < Baldzius> that what I was going to say
16:36 < Baldzius> he made a mistake
16:36 < Baldzius> atstage cross || var_append extraconfopt ' ' '--enable-cxx'
16:36 < Baldzius> it leaks into toolchain
16:37 < rxr> ah,
16:37 < Baldzius> more likley atstage native && ...
16:38 < Baldzius> then it works fine
16:38 < Baldzius> tried yesterday on ubuntu
16:38 < Baldzius> that fecking 2-gcc linking problem still exists :/
16:39 < rxr> native is not cross build
16:39 < rxr> I guess atstage toolchain || ... ?
16:40 < Baldzius> it will fail for cross also as fas as I understand
16:40 < Baldzius> far*
16:40 < rxr> ah, the other way round, I thought he wanted to enable it
16:40 < rxr> no, he meant it:
16:40 < rxr> r34864 | mtr | 2009-11-11 21:21:06 +0100 (Wed, 11 Nov 2009) | 2 lines
16:40 < rxr>         * build gmp cxx wrapper library in toolchain stage
16:40 < rxr> guess for one of the new GCC required loop fluff libs ?
16:41 < Baldzius> hm , maybe
16:41 < rxr> maybe he forgot to enable c++ in gcc in the toolchain stage ?
16:41 < Baldzius> dunno :)
16:42 < rxr> ah
16:42 < rxr> gmp is before gcc?
16:42 < Baldzius> yep
16:42 < rxr> gcc not yet build at that point in time?
16:42 < rxr> when gcc now needs more and more fluff, is less freestanding, dependency circles will become evil
16:43 < Baldzius> it was 
16:43 < Baldzius> -if atstage native; then
16:43 < Baldzius> -	var_append extraconfopt ' ' '--enable-cxx'
16:43 < Baldzius> -fi
16:43 < Baldzius> and I can confirm that atstage native && var_append extraconfopt ' ' '--enable-cxx'
16:43 < rxr> i think the problem is way simplier
16:44 < rxr> it's not that gmp fault
16:44 < Baldzius> but it stoped on stage 2
16:44 < rxr> gues it's requried for gcc now anyway
16:44 < rxr> due to the fancy C++ based stuff, loop optimization etc.
16:44 < rxr> the problem is elsewhere
16:44 < rxr> might be as simple as hardcoded x86_64 optimization opts in the gmp config
16:44 < rxr> CXXFLAGS chosen by autoconf: 
16:44 < rxr> configure:8434: checking C++ compiler g++  -O2 -pedantic -m64 -mtune=k8
16:44 < rxr> Test compile: 
16:44 < rxr> configure:8448: g++  -O2 -pedantic -m64 -mtune=k8 conftest.cc >&5
16:44 < rxr> conftest.cc:1: error: bad value (x86_64) for -march= switch
16:44 < rxr> conftest.cc:1: error: bad value (x86_64) for -mtune= switch
16:44 < rxr> configure:8451: $? = 1
16:44 < Baldzius> oh yeah
16:44 < rxr> failed program was:
16:44 < Baldzius> saw that too
16:45 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2009-11-12/mac-os-x-1062-update-space-requirements/
16:45 < Baldzius> bet before we had it only in native 
16:45 < Baldzius> enabled
16:45 < rxr> Baldzius: yeah, but I think mtr's change is all fine
16:46 < rxr> gcc-4.4 has fancy C++ code, now, fany new optimization algorithms, in C++, requireing new, external libs
16:46 < rxr> http://t2-project.org/packages/cloog-ppl.html
16:47 < rxr> http://t2-project.org/packages/ppl.html
16:47 < rxr> http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.4/
16:47 < rxr> http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.4/changes.html
16:47 < rxr> "The Graphite branch has been merged. This merge has brought in a new framework for loop optimizations based on a polyhedral intermediate representation"
16:47 < Baldzius> lovely screenshot btw :)
16:48 < rxr> have you seen this one:
16:48 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2009-10-29/yes-we-can-mac-os-x-on-nokia-booklet-3g/
16:50 < Baldzius> how it feels in terms of running?
16:52 < Baldzius> found solution to one very nasty problem with flash I have
16:52 < Baldzius> somehow it doesn;'r work correctly if I get xoeg-server compiled without hal
16:53 < rxr> yeah, I' won't comment on the state of open source graphic server stuff named xorg, ...
16:53 < rxr> Baldzius: nokia booklet feels ok in theory
16:53 < Baldzius> it was tesing me last couple of weeks
16:53 < Baldzius> teasing*
16:53 < rxr> support is worts in the world, mine might have a minimal memory glitch (not yet noticed in real world use):
16:53 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2009-11-06/hardware-error-miscompares-on-nokia-booklet-3g/
16:54 < Baldzius> and intel drivers quality gets worse with every new release
16:54 < rxr> still waiting for some pickup voucher, I still do not have received
16:54 < Baldzius> I didn't have such problems before
16:54 < rxr> but even if I would have gotten it yet, I would probably earliest ship it in on december, as I'll be a little busy and traveling until then and want to have the booklet with me on the road, ...
16:54 < Baldzius> now every upgrade brings something nasty
16:57 < rxr> I think the gmp issue unviels simple that we have no SYSC++ wrapper (SYSCXX)
16:58 < rxr> ouiuiuiuiui
16:58 < rxr> mtr even workaround something in the gmp.conf
16:58 < rxr> r29877 | rene | 2008-08-04 10:03:14 +0200 (Mon, 04 Aug 2008) | 2 lines
16:58 < rxr>         * fixed gmp to enable C++ support during native builds, again
17:11 < rxr> with that removed it builds here :-)
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17:43 < rxr> Error logs from minimal-x86-8.0-trunk-generic-x86-i486-cross-linux:
17:43 < rxr> 146 builds total, 37 completed fine, 0 with errors, 109 to go.
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20:38 < rxr> hm
20:38 < rxr> mtr: gcc-4.4 regression:
20:39 < rxr> !> /bin/sh: line 1: 21480 Segmentation fault      (core dumped) scripts/mod/modpost -o /mnt/builder/t2-trunk-clean/src.linux26.minimal-x ..
20:39 < rxr> ???
20:39 < rxr> anyway, review later will have those minimal builds continue further
20:44 < mj-netbits_> rxr
20:44 < mj-netbits_> i have found the glibc/i586 problem 
20:45 < mj-netbits_> you must remove the x86-i586 patch from the package
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22:43 < CIA-17> mtr * r34882 /trunk/package/develop/cloog-ppl/cloog-ppl.conf: * fixed cloog-ppl for *64 cross builds
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23:10 < CIA-17> mtr * r34883 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.conf: 
23:10 < CIA-17> * glibc still has problems if compiled with size
23:10 < CIA-17> optimization, replace all -Os with -O2
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