--- Log opened Wed Jan 20 00:00:22 2010 01:14 -!- digitaloktay_ [n=pardus@dslb-084-056-212-012.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:33 -!- koan [n=koan@unaffiliated/koan] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:34 -!- koan [n=koan@unaffiliated/koan] has joined #t2 07:07 -!- B-2 [i=stealth@sourcemage/guru/stealth] has joined #t2 07:08 -!- Stealth [i=stealth@sourcemage/guru/stealth] has quit [Read error: 92 (Protocol not available)] 07:08 -!- B-2 is now known as Stealth 08:31 < mjungwirth> moin 08:34 < mjungwirth> someone here ? 08:36 < mjungwirth> i build a fresh system. util-linux needs cvs on the build-system! is this right? 08:44 < mjungwirth> samba can't build. error in patching file with fix_smb_mtab.patch 08:54 < mjungwirth> this patch-file isn't need longer. the samba group has patch the mtab.c. 09:03 < mjungwirth> for the mc-mp package the mc-mp-intr_flag.patch is no longer needed. 09:14 < mjungwirth> hmm i cant build php 5.3.1 09:16 < mjungwirth> why dues php search the libxml2 on my host? /usr/lib/libxml2.so? the t2-build abort this. can you help ? 09:18 < rxr> re 09:19 < rxr> maybe it uses a fixed path? or some old style -config script to detect libxml presense 09:19 < mjungwirth> i remove libxml2 development packet from my host. the php build abort by making configure. (xml2-config not found. Please check you libxml2 installation) 09:19 < rxr> mjungwirth: I can try to give it a try to help 09:20 < mjungwirth> rxr have you reed the message from 08:35 09:20 < rxr> yep 09:20 < mjungwirth> you can remove to patch-files 09:20 < rxr> will update / delete the patches accordingly in a sec 09:20 < mjungwirth> perfect 09:42 < rxr> this samba patch ? fix_mtab_stat.patch 09:43 < rxr> the mc-mp patch is only needed when built withou one of it's supporting terminal libraries 09:43 < rxr> curses or some slang whater stuff it was 09:57 < CIA-28> rene * r35360 /trunk/package/base/lsof/lsof.desc: * updated lsof (4.82 -> 4.83) 09:57 < CIA-28> rene * r35359 /trunk/package/security/john/john.desc: * updated john (1.7.4 -> 1.7.4.2) 09:57 < CIA-28> rene * r35361 /trunk/package/base/pcre/pcre.desc: * updated pcre (8.00 -> 8.01) 10:12 < mjungwirth> i have add some --with parameters to the configure script. Now the php package can build without any errors but the installer process gives me an error (fl_wrapper.so write outside basedir (/os): /usr/lib/php.depdblock) have you any idea to fix this ? 10:12 < rxr> maxbe it needs some more configure switches or makefile options 10:12 < rxr> or some missing DESTDIR variables in the Makefile (or simillar typos) 10:12 < mjungwirth> ok i search 11:26 < mjungwirth> what is the correct variable for $root/usr/lib path for the .conf file 11:27 < rxr> $root$libdir 11:28 < rxr> but if there was $root/usr/lib that is not too bad 11:28 < rxr> at least it should not install into your host system, that is what $root is for 11:28 < rxr> just the hardcoded "lib" is not good for mulitilib builds, e.g. lib64 and other variants 11:29 < mjungwirth> ok thanks 11:29 < mjungwirth> yea 11:30 < mjungwirth> php build succesfully 11:30 < mjungwirth> i send you the php.conf file 11:30 < rxr> good to hear 11:32 < mjungwirth> mail is out 11:37 < mjungwirth> one question 11:38 < rxr> yeah=? 11:38 < mjungwirth> the e2fsprogs need pkgconfig for the build 11:38 < mjungwirth> but e2fsprogs build bevor pkgconfig is build 11:38 < mjungwirth> how can i handle this ? 11:38 < rxr> chage the currently static package Priority tag 11:39 < rxr> but I guess it needs it in the host to run the tool? 11:39 < rxr> than the solution would be rather to enable it for the stage 0, toolchain 11:39 < rxr> , if it is not yet 11:40 < CIA-28> rene * r35362 /trunk/package/gnome2/gmime/gmime.desc: * updated gmime (2.4.12 -> 2.4.13) 11:41 < mjungwirth> i test it 11:41 < CIA-28> rene * r35363 /trunk/package/develop/php/php.conf: 11:41 < CIA-28> Mario Jungwirth : 11:41 < CIA-28> * more guidance for php cross build 11:42 < mjungwirth> ok e2fsprogs runs 11:49 -!- digitaloktay [n=pardus@dslb-084-056-233-080.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #t2 11:50 < mjungwirth> is there a variable existing for the include directory ? 11:50 < rxr> sure, $inclduedir 11:50 < rxr> includedir 11:50 < mjungwirth> nice thanks 11:59 < mjungwirth> i send you a new .conf file for nfs-utils. have fun.. 12:01 < mjungwirth> how can i find a binary file in all packages ? 12:02 < mjungwirth> not the build package! all packages for the complete t2-project 12:02 < rxr> for the T2 $*dir variables no extra slash (/) should be needed 12:03 < rxr> the variable should start already with a slash, double slashes can lead to subtile errors in some exotic packages / combinations 12:03 < rxr> (and lock ugly in the log and running binary output at run-time, man/info pages etc. otherwise) 12:04 < rxr> I removed that, test-build and commit 12:07 < CIA-28> rene * r35364 /trunk/package/filesystem/nfs-utils/nfs-utils.conf: 12:07 < CIA-28> Mario Jungwirth : 12:07 < CIA-28> * fix nfs-utils includedir for the new tirpc depencency 13:16 < mjungwirth> ok thanks sir :) 13:21 -!- digitaloktay [n=pardus@dslb-084-056-233-080.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Bin mo weg longer............ /exit hilft bei Kopfschmerzen oder hängt ein paar Poster von Merkel auf :)))"] 13:21 -!- digitaloktay [n=pardus@dslb-084-056-233-080.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #t2 13:28 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mqueiros, koan, aloof 13:30 -!- Netsplit over, joins: koan, aloof, mqueiros 13:35 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mqueiros, @ChanServ, koan, LMJ, CIA-28, aloof, TobiX, digitaloktay, Stealth 13:42 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Stealth 13:42 -!- Netsplit over, joins: koan, aloof, mqueiros 13:43 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @ChanServ, digitaloktay, TobiX, CIA-28 13:44 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-4-82-236-42-164.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 13:49 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mqueiros, koan, aloof 13:49 -!- Netsplit over, joins: koan, aloof, mqueiros 13:52 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Stealth 13:53 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Stealth 14:11 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mqueiros, koan, aloof 14:14 -!- Netsplit over, joins: koan, aloof, mqueiros 14:16 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Stealth 14:17 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Stealth 14:29 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mqueiros, @ChanServ, koan, LMJ, CIA-28, aloof, TobiX, Stealth, digitaloktay 14:35 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @ChanServ, CIA-28, TobiX, digitaloktay 14:35 -!- Netsplit over, joins: koan, aloof, mqueiros 14:39 -!- Stealth [i=stealth@sourcemage/guru/stealth] has joined #t2 14:40 -!- mpp [n=mpp@2a01:48:251:107:203:dff:fe13:6c9e] has joined #t2 14:41 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-4-82-236-42-164.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 14:43 < mpp> moinsen 14:43 < rxr> moin moin 14:47 < rxr> we currently get 80% more out thru our inet pipe than the nominal provider bitrate --- Log opened Wed Jan 20 14:57:32 2010 14:57 < rxr> ok - that was it 14:58 < rxr> stupid linux kernel oopsery 15:00 < mjungwirth> rxt 15:00 < mjungwirth> r 15:01 < rxr> I have to spent some more time on my own microkernel design and replace our router here ASAP :-) 15:01 < mjungwirth> can you delete the hot-fix.patch from the php package. it is not longer needed 15:02 < mjungwirth> the PHP_SUBST(.... is now in the php source includes! 15:02 < rxr> how's with the samba patch 15:02 < rxr> it still applies 15:02 < rxr> but it is still really superflous now ? 15:03 < mjungwirth> yes it is! 15:29 < CIA-28> rene * r35366 /trunk/package/network/samba/fix_mtab_stat.patch: 15:29 < CIA-28> Mario Jungwirth : 15:29 < CIA-28> * removed superfluous samba/fix_mtab_stat.patch 15:29 < CIA-28> rene * r35365 /trunk/package/develop/php/hot-fix.patch: 15:29 < CIA-28> Mario Jungwirth : 15:29 < CIA-28> * removed superfluous php/hot-fix.patch 16:30 -!- Baldzius [n=aldas@87-198-133-94.ptr.magnet.ie] has joined #t2 16:30 < Baldzius> moin 16:31 < rxr> hey Baldzius 16:31 < Baldzius> hi rxr 16:40 < rxr> you are happy not to have an account on our box 16:40 < rxr> our line is so oversaturated today, ... 16:41 < rxr> pushing up to 90% more thru the pipe than our ISP nominally offer us ... 16:41 < rxr> didn't even know we can push that much thru :-) 16:41 < rxr> though the stupid linux kernel oopsed again under the load 16:41 < rxr> stupid typos in either the associated ethernet driver or ipv4 stack, ... 16:47 < Baldzius> which kernel version? 16:48 < rxr> 2.6.31.5-dist but this happened with previous ones already under high load as well :( 16:49 < Baldzius> not good 16:58 < CIA-28> aldas * r35367 /trunk/package/network/bind/bind.desc: * updated bind (9.6.1-P2 -> 9.6.1-P3) 16:58 < CIA-28> aldas * r35369 /trunk/package/mail/thunderbird/thunderbird.desc: * updated thunderbird (3.0 -> 3.0.1) 16:59 < CIA-28> aldas * r35368 /trunk/package/network/dhcp/dhcp.desc: * updated dhcp (4.1.1rc1 -> 4.1.1) 17:07 < Baldzius> rxr: btw would you mind to write mini howto about kvm maybe? 17:07 < Baldzius> I am not sure now, do I need qemu package to start using kvm 17:10 < rxr> well, in the past you had to use the kvm package 17:10 < rxr> because it comes with an modified / improved qemu 17:10 < rxr> but nowadays the basics are already merged in qemu 17:10 < rxr> so you could just use the qemu package and the in-kernel kvm 17:10 < rxr> but then you get only basic performance / not all features 17:11 < rxr> so for best results, enable the kvm package, so that during the kernel build (linux26) the newer kvm kernel mod is built with improved performance and features / correctnet 17:11 < rxr> correctness 17:11 < rxr> and then also use the qemu from the kvm package 17:11 < rxr> it has SMP support, live migration, etc. pp- 17:12 < rxr> (oh, and our kvm package comes with support to emulate a Mac, thus run Intel Mac OSX in the VM 17:12 < rxr> but that is currently broken, despite my extra care, at least for me tested just yesterday, though maybe that was just my bad luck, but probably one or the other Mac OS X virt patch needs some slap top behave again :-) 17:13 < Baldzius> ok, thanks that's pretty much information I needed 17:17 < Baldzius> too bad my work laptop don't have VT 17:18 < Baldzius> but I have a laptop at home with cpu that supports VT 17:19 < Baldzius> not sure what might be easier to administrate : kvm or xen 17:19 < rxr> btw. AMD VT is way more powerful 17:19 < rxr> can run real-mode code, has less overhead 17:20 < rxr> Intel VT wasts more cycles, here and there, and running real-mode code, such as the bootloader is fully emulated by an x86 in-kernel interpreter 17:20 < rxr> you can watch grub painting the menu on an Intel VT CPU, ... 17:20 < rxr> if you have the option, get an AMD 17:20 < rxr> btw. I would have implemented this real-mode quirk differently 17:21 < rxr> I would not trust an in-kernel emulator in any case, beside it's dog slow 17:21 < rxr> I would have let it fall back to the user-space, Qemu, emulate it 17:21 < rxr> more secure in any case, and also more performant, as Qemu would recompile with TCG 17:21 < rxr> that would be some 50 times or so faster, ... 17:22 < rxr> but, well, in the Linux land so much is going insane these days, what should I say, ... 17:22 < rxr> then again that is just the Intel VT real-mode (read BIOS and boot loader until the OS is running) corner case, ... 17:23 < Baldzius> ic 17:24 < Baldzius> myself I always perfered AMD over Intel, but you know you don't have much options when it comes to laptops 17:24 < rxr> AMD Neo rocks 17:25 < Baldzius> X2? 17:25 < rxr> if Lenovo spins a Neo X2 bosting X100 I grab it 17:25 < Baldzius> I saw it too 17:25 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2009-12-22/the-performance-stagnation-that-is-the-intel-atom/ 17:25 < Baldzius> wrote down it's model :) 17:25 < rxr> might take to load, we're kind of slashdottet 17:25 < rxr> AMD Neo X12 17:25 < rxr> err 17:25 < rxr> X2 17:25 < rxr> thick fingers these days 17:26 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2010-01-09/lenovo-x100e-nearly-the-perfect-netbook/ 17:26 < rxr> the currently (starting to) ship X100 only has the older, singel core AMD silicon 17:27 < rxr> only a little faster than Atom 17:27 < rxr> X2 rocks more 17:27 < rxr> hope they find a more suitable battery 'till then 17:27 < Baldzius> :) 17:28 < rxr> and the site lods for ages? 17:28 < rxr> or still endurable ? 17:28 < rxr> given our current line saturation it should be pretty bad ... 17:30 < Baldzius> loaded 17:30 < Baldzius> took a while 17:30 < rxr> reasonably fast or slow like h*ll? 17:34 < Baldzius> it was in background 17:34 < Baldzius> so can't say 17:34 < Baldzius> http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:category.details?current-catalog-id=12F0696583E04D86B9B79B0FEC01C087¤t-category-id=AD7535A40F8845ABAEAC52D528B8C921&AID=10396483&PID=3434971&CJURL=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.lenovo.com%2FSEUILibrary%2Fcontroller%2Fe%2Fweb%2FLenovoPortal%2Fen_US%2Fcatalog.workflow%3Acategory.details%3Fcurrent-catalog-id%3D12F0696583E04D86B9B79B0FEC01C087%26current-category-id%3DA 17:34 < Baldzius> D7535A40F8845ABAEAC52D528B8C921 17:35 < Baldzius> you can customize like for Dell 17:36 < rxr> yeah - but not with an X2 CPU or did they already update that? 17:36 < rxr> some days ago when I checked they only has one CPU option 17:37 < rxr> but I saw some interview where some lenovo person said something of a dual core option coming then later in Q1, I hope that's true 17:37 < Baldzius> single only 17:37 < Baldzius> sec I will check one page 17:38 < Baldzius> yep, dual core, Athlon Neo X2 L335 or Turion X2 L625 17:39 < rxr> the X100 ? 17:39 < rxr> the link above is wrapped once, so I'm not sure 17:39 < rxr> the non-X100 Edge things had the X2 option 17:39 < rxr> but not the tiniest X100, some 2 days ago 17:39 < Baldzius> http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.php?id=31778&catid=2&highlight=x100e 17:40 < Baldzius> Q1 availability 17:40 < rxr> Athlon Neo X2 L335 (Q1 availability), 17:40 < rxr> yeah, as I wrote :-) 17:40 < rxr> hope that's soon 17:40 < rxr> but I "just" got an Nokia Booklet, so maybe I'm not buying again too quickly ... 18:15 -!- digitaloktay [n=pardus@dslb-084-056-233-080.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Bin mo weg longer............ /exit hilft bei Kopfschmerzen oder hängt ein paar Poster von Merkel auf :)))"] 19:32 < rxr> http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,672943,00.html 19:32 < rxr> via http://blog.fefe.de, ... 20:32 -!- Baldzius [n=aldas@87-198-133-94.ptr.magnet.ie] has quit ["Leaving"] --- Log closed Thu Jan 21 00:00:21 2010