T2 IRC Log: 2010-09-05

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--- Log opened Sun Sep 05 00:00:49 2010
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03:10 < keinek> hi again :)
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14:26 <@rxr> re
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16:27 < keinek> hi rxr
16:28 < keinek> now is possible install T2 from USB STICK?
16:35 <@rxr> yes, since some time
16:54 < rogermas`> keinek: I posted some instructions on the mailing list about 1 month ago.
17:08 < keinek> Thanks rogermas, i will serching that
17:08 <@rxr> that said it should just work out of the box
17:09 < keinek> live cd can run in usb stick too?
17:09 <@rxr> copy the iso content to a stick with misc/archive/iso2stick.s
17:09 <@rxr> sh
17:09 <@rxr> livecd was always capable of that
17:09 <@rxr> since the beginning, some 5y+ ago
17:10 < keinek> great if is possible i will try it :)
17:10 < keinek> Yes remember the live choise.
17:10 < keinek> rxr: is a great job, contratulations for this new release.
17:11 < keinek> Now i have a GSM EDGE connection, but... i remember the old times of dial up.
17:11 * rxr too
17:12 < keinek> every source that i was download is GOLD :)
17:12 <@rxr> I remeber the times where I even had no modem, and walked to my friend with floppies to get stuff
17:12 < keinek> rxr: so... is posible a live system in usb stick, and i can install that too?
17:13 < keinek> rxr: yes... the 5 1/4 floppys :P
17:13 < keinek> 80 tracks.... do you remember the "VGA COPY" ?
17:14 < keinek> This program started with the rumbs of We will rock you, of queen.
17:14 < keinek> For me, the D.O.S. Times...
17:14 <@rxr> don't think I know thta VGA COPY
17:15 <@rxr> but one good DOS demo had pretty decent Michael Jackson or so a-like sound even on a pc-speaker
17:15 <@rxr> 1bit dithering
17:15 <@rxr> and Links, the golf game, also pushed the pc speaker to it's 1bit dithering dreams
17:15 < keinek> Yes... The .mod files?
17:16 <@rxr> but the 3d graphic painting of links was pretty slow on my 386 SX @25 w/ 2MB RAM
17:16 < keinek> This archives come from Commodore Amiga.
17:16 < keinek> The best sound that i hear from the speaker was the PINBALL DREAMS or PINBALL FANTASY.
17:16 < keinek> remember doom?
17:16 <@rxr> but I also remeber times where we did not even had this "powerful" PC, but just an XT, and later 286, and even that had no VGA (only hercules or so) and initially no hard disk, ...
17:17 <@rxr> yeah, now these, but we had no Amiga, but friends had
17:17 < keinek> i was start with 286 12/16 mhz... orange monocrome, and no mouse...
17:17 <@rxr> there where pretty nice games on the Amiga, stunt car racer was cool, and lotus turbo challenge or so
17:17 < keinek> Yes my friend have amiga... they say: "Oooohhh Yeah!! this is powefulll... "
17:17 <@rxr> oh and of course siedler, sim city, ...
17:18 < keinek> But the time for the pc has come...
17:18 < keinek> Sound blaster comes...
17:18 <@rxr> oh and one thing was fun, don't remeber it's name
17:18 < keinek> Lemmings :P
17:18 <@rxr> ah yeah lemmings
17:18 <@rxr> but there was some US western thing, damn what was it's name
17:18 < keinek> Now EAE run perfect the games of the amiga :) this emulator is great.
17:19 < keinek> Yes i can remember is a convertion from arcade.
17:19 <@rxr> oh and Railroad Tycoon :-)
17:20 < keinek> rxr: well... now is everthing in 3D.
17:20 < keinek> But the first game in real 3d, was Alone in the dark.
17:20 <@rxr> ah yes, that rocked on my 386
17:21 <@rxr> the last thing I played a little was probably starcraft 1
17:21 <@rxr> by that time I had an 120MHz Pentium, initially even with the old no-name VGA card of that 386, ... !
17:21 <@rxr> only later I saved enough money to get a S3 Virge card
17:22 <@rxr> and it really annoys me that I lost the card in my parents house
17:22 < keinek> Now you play with C, C++ and bash :)
17:22 <@rxr> guess my father gave it away to someone needing an old computer, ...
17:22 <@rxr> because I have the full register level spec for that one-of-the-first 3D chips
17:22 <@rxr> we even got 2 hardcopy books for that chip
17:22 <@rxr> one is still in our office library, the other has the friend I use to code with at that time
17:23 < keinek> you was thinking make 3d games?
17:23 < keinek> sorry for my english hahaha... i try...
17:23 <@rxr> don't remeber exactly what we where up to at that time
17:24 <@rxr> one thing we started was a whole protected mode OS, Win95 crashed too often, until we accidently stubled over Linux
17:24 <@rxr> as we grew up with DOS and later windows it would have been totally different from Linux, probably more like BeOS became, ... though guess that would have been a good thing (tm)
17:25 <@rxr> and in retrospect I think we should have continue to work on it
17:25 <@rxr> but it is absolutely cool how we got those 3D chip hardcopy doc
17:26 <@rxr> we just walked to their fairground booth on the CeBIT tradeshow in Hanover, near where we grew up, and chatted with those guys
17:26 < keinek> do you feel with SDE like the system is live when the process start automatic right? This is you fun now.
17:26 < keinek> i mean... really live.
17:26 <@rxr> when they where convinced we where real coders and asked for the SPEC they just walked into the booth, and came back with 2 hardcopy specs of every register bit
17:26 <@rxr> something NVidia should get inspired by, and most other vendors, too
17:27 < keinek> what you thing about 3dfx?
17:27 <@rxr> and I still boycott nvidia for this
17:27 <@rxr> never touched that silicon
17:27 <@rxr> probably too expensive, and I did not wanted to have 2 cards
17:28 <@rxr> virge3d was nice for being an integrated 2d/2d accellerator
17:28 <@rxr> of course compared to today, that 3d engine sucks big times, just paints textured triangles for you, ... but, ... well, time changes :-)
17:29 <@rxr> today, I wish I had the spec of the PowerVR silicon
17:36 < keinek> i never program in 3d.
17:36 < keinek> sorry for the delay.
17:36 < keinek> i was out to the house of a friend, he download for me a blue ray "THIS IS IT" from michael jackson.
17:37 < keinek> So.. i run 7 houses away... i come back happy with 2 dvd :P
17:37 <@rxr> :-)
17:37 < keinek> Some things dont change rxr ;)
17:37 < keinek> Yesterday was two floppys, now two dvd hahaha
17:39 <@rxr> tomorrow it will be 2 bluerays
17:40 < keinek> Yes... but at this time, only the reading was selling here.
17:40 < keinek> the recording drives are too spensives...
17:40 <@rxr> yeah
17:40 < keinek> But...
17:40 < keinek> Is not big deal...
17:40 <@rxr> I also only have one blueray player, and that is in my PS3 model1
17:41 < keinek> The CD-ROM was a revolution.
17:41 < keinek> 1 floppy 1.44 Mb.
17:41 < keinek> 1 CD 74 min... 650 Mb <--- This is a revolution.
17:41 <@rxr> I prefer not to carry optical drives around anyway, I nearly never need them, and when they got defect from being carried around
17:41 <@rxr> so my Nokia Booklet did not have this legacy thing to start with :-)
17:41 < keinek> Dvd... well... 7 cd... the change is no great...
17:41 <@rxr> http://t2-project.org/hardware/portable/Nokia/Booklet-3G/
17:42 < keinek> yes. cos... i was asking for usb stick boot, i dont wanna recording cdrom anymore.
17:42 < keinek> ok... let me see... CLICK
17:42 < keinek> rxr: hey... this new toy for hack the PS3 really works?
17:43 <@rxr> no idea, I have the old firmware with otheros
17:43 <@rxr> hope my wife nevers clicks the update button :-)
17:43 <@rxr> though currently we mostly use it as audio cd, dvd and blueray player
17:44 <@rxr> the few times a month we get to turn it on at all
17:44 < keinek> nokia netbook, guau...
17:45 <@rxr> ?
17:45 < keinek> i have a netbook from asus, the EEEPC 1000
17:45 < keinek> i have the 701 (the first), then change for the 900, and now the 1000.
17:45 <@rxr> I have the Nokia for a few reasons: top reason is resolution I got 1280x720 pixel real screen estate
17:45 < keinek> nokia netbook, GREAT!, i like nokia.
17:45 < keinek> :)
17:46 <@rxr> I can not work with as few pixels Netbooks have, any regular Netbook is 100% useless to me
17:46 <@rxr> and then I need digital video out, even many normal PC laptops don't have it
17:46 < keinek> rxr: is a good screen.
17:46 <@rxr> I definetly do not want to drive my work desk flat panel with a whacky VGA signal, ... the nokia booklet has HDMI, ...
17:46 < keinek> is true...
17:47 < keinek> rxr: really dont head about the toy for the ps3?
17:47 <@rxr> well the bad thing about the Booklet display is that it is only 10", the screen bezels is pretty big, the same pixel ammount on 11" would perfectly fit in there and would make it even more sueful
17:47 < keinek> let me find the link... let me see....
17:47 <@rxr> keinek: yes I read the crack tool usb stick
17:47 <@rxr> but I currently do not need it and less so tried it :-)
17:48 <@rxr> you asked if it really works, and I do not know
17:48 < keinek> ok ok
17:48 < keinek> The games here in argentina are to spensives...
17:48 <@rxr> if it works I bet the next fw update will close the stack overflows or what it used to gain access
17:49 < keinek> yes... is true... they use a exploit to have this cheat.
17:49 <@rxr> yeah, so are they here, but I do not game, I wanted a PPC workstation, unfortunately the PS3 sucks cpu performance wise, so it became our audio cd and video media player at home, ...
17:49 < keinek> but... if you dont wanna play online, you can play many games, but not all games work with this toy.
17:50 < keinek> i undertand... and... t2 can work with ps3?
17:50 <@rxr> the ugly thing is the my primary use case of the PS3 I sometimes have to update the firmware due the blue ray disk, ...
17:51 < keinek> I thing that the move of SONY to Close the OTHER OS gate, was very sad.
17:51 <@rxr> E.g. I had to update some 6 or 12 months ago because of the Star Trek VI (or what the ltest movie was) BlueRay, ... to get the latest public keys for the thing to read the disc, ...
17:51 <@rxr> the move was stupid
17:51 <@rxr> other os was the only thing that kept the real freak from cracking the thing
17:52 <@rxr> now they annoyed all the good linux coders and their friends and now the real crack orgie breaks loose
17:52 <@rxr> but, maybe Sony even wanted this, so that raw copies drive the sales :-)
17:52 <@rxr> the salevs of the console hardware
17:53 <@rxr> otherwise taking away otheros was completely pointless, noone wanted to use it to crack games, ...
17:53 <@rxr> only use Posix software, ...
17:53 <@rxr> and the new slim already came without it, ... so this was only happy existing customers that they pissed on, ...
17:53 <@rxr> really strange
17:54 <@rxr> the only reason I really see is they WANTED to have a rawcopy marked to continue drive adaption, market dominance against xbox and wii, ...
17:54 < keinek> yes, but blue ray was the winner.
17:54 <@rxr> sony is stupid
17:55 < keinek> xbox use the DVD ram?
17:55 < keinek> or... i dont remember the name, but is a optical drive from toshiba.
17:55 <@rxr> they managed to can every great thing they had, starting from the Mini-Disc, and going thru their nice PC, but loading them with most crapware ever, ...
17:56 < keinek> rxr: i dont know, the business are in the games, in the live merchandansing.
17:56 <@rxr> I think Sony even has one of the worst brand name recognition in the Windows community due all their crap load and backdors (e.g. in the SonicStage music management thing back in that days)
17:56 < keinek> the hardware is not business for they.
17:57 < keinek> do you remember the DREAMCAST? it was a console from SEGA.
17:57 < keinek> When UTOPIA HACK the hardware with only one CDROM.
17:57 < keinek> Dreamcast come DOWN...
17:57 <@rxr> yes, remeber the readcase
17:57 <@rxr> dreamcast
17:58 <@rxr> it is a known secret that raw copies also drive market acceptance and sales
17:58 < keinek> i have a Dreamcast :P only for play Resident Evil Code Veronica :P
17:58 <@rxr> due people talking about the titles you can copy, and many of them then buying the original
17:59 <@rxr> and the more people talk about the titles, the more legitimate copies they purchase, world-wide
17:59 <@rxr> and also to promote high console purcahse and user numbers when compared to the competition
17:59 < keinek> yes... EA GAME, now wanna do business with the piracy copies.
17:59 <@rxr> locking otu otheros really gained them nothing, especially as the slim already came without it, ...
18:00 < keinek> yes... but the SLIM case... was cut cos for Less hardware.
18:00 <@rxr> some are considering giving games away for free and charging for in-app purchases, like levels, weapons, and advertisement, ...
18:00 < keinek> The emulation of ps2 was remove too.
18:01 <@rxr> the latest regular ones came without ps2 emulation
18:01 < keinek> well... but is a great hardware dont you?
18:01 <@rxr> and only the first revision, like I have, has the whole ps2 chip inside, ...
18:01 <@rxr> the ps3?
18:02 < keinek> ys.
18:02 <@rxr> well for most part
18:02 <@rxr> for a console it defeinetly was, and still is a screamer
18:02 < keinek> yes
18:02 < keinek> So... you have the FAT ps3 Super super.
18:02 < keinek> :)
18:02 < keinek> i have only a ps2 with chip
18:02 <@rxr> yes, a FAT, revision 1
18:02 <@rxr> the one with super audio CD laser, ps2 chip, and all extension slots
18:02 <@rxr> and the one that consumes most power of all of them :-(((((
18:03 <@rxr> for that consumer alone I should place a solar panel on our wall, ...
18:04 <@rxr> fortunately was have it hard turned off most of the year, and only flip it on when we rarely watch a movie :-)
18:04 <@rxr> otherwise the expensive German electricity would kill us
18:05 < keinek> here is the same... 5 years ago, i have 3 computers, now i have only one.
18:06 < keinek> well... the lunch is here... i will back in 20 minutes.
18:06 <@rxr> will be back even later, leave the office, go home
18:06 <@rxr> cu then
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18:13 < CIA-32> rene * r37511 /trunk/package/shells/mc/mc.desc: * updated mc (4.7.0.7 -> 4.7.0.8)
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