T2 IRC Log: 2010-10-04
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--- Log opened Mon Oct 04 00:00:49 2010
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09:06 <@rxr> re
09:42 < CIA-32> rene * r37750 /trunk/package/network/pmacct/pmacct.desc: * updated pmacct (0.12.3 -> 0.12.4)
09:43 < CIA-32> rene * r37751 /trunk/package/gnome2/pango/pango.desc: * updated pango (1.28.1 -> 1.28.3)
09:43 < CIA-32> rene * r37752 /trunk/package/xorg/xdpyinfo/xdpyinfo.desc: * updated xdpyinfo (1.1.0 -> 1.2.0)
09:43 < CIA-32> rene * r37753 /trunk/package/audio/libsndfile/libsndfile.desc: * updated libsndfile (1.0.20 -> 1.0.22)
09:43 < CIA-32> rene * r37754 /trunk/package/network/bluez/bluez.desc: * updated bluez (4.72 -> 4.73)
09:43 < CIA-32> rene * r37755 /trunk/package/perl/perl-mailtools/perl-mailtools.desc: * updated perl-mailtools (2.06 -> 2.07)
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09:54 < adilix> hi all
09:55 < adilix> what exactly are the cd iso images, do i need them
09:55 < adilix> to start
10:03 <@rxr> the cd isos are pre-built binaries, bootable and installable
10:04 <@rxr> it is most easy to start with them, and just compile what you need on top
10:04 <@rxr> building everything from scratch can be more tricky, if you build on a foreign linux distribution
10:09 < adilix> are the iso cds the rescue binaries, i read in doku about rescue binaries
10:25 < adilix> so i start a download of the iso, i wanted to know if the isos are an environment for starting to build a system without to download additional packages and whats about the scripts are their in the cds
10:47 <@rxr> don't know what rescue binaries you mean
10:47 <@rxr> they are normal system binaries, like Fedora, SuSE, Ubuntu et. al.
10:47 <@rxr> you can use them to bulid source code, to build t2 you need to checkout the t2 source via svn
10:47 <@rxr> svn and all the other tools are included in these isos
10:48 <@rxr> so you can start with "svn checkout ..." after installing
10:48 < CIA-32> rene * r37756 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnumeric/gnumeric.desc: * updated gnumeric (1.10.10 -> 1.10.11)
10:49 <@rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/documentation/buildintro.html
10:50 < CIA-32> rene * r37757 /trunk/package/graphic/gimp/gimp.desc: * updated gimp (2.6.10 -> 2.6.11)
10:53 < adilix> ok thx i understand now, i need a permament internet connection
10:53 <@rxr> not necessarily
10:53 <@rxr> you can Download all in one go
10:54 <@rxr> e.g. before you build a whole target via Download -required
10:56 < adilix> all in one? you mean over 8000 packages
10:58 <@rxr> no, onle those you have selected
10:58 <@rxr> e.g. when you want to build your own cd and select a minimal x desktop only ~300 or so are downloaded
10:59 <@rxr> otherwise, if you start with the binary isos, and just build add-on what you need (e.g. x, firefox, etc.) you use Emerge-Pkg and it only downloads the source and dependencies as needed
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11:33 < rogermason> hello.
11:50 < adilix> ok thx and bye tor the moment
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11:58 < rogermason> I re-installed 8.0 on my G5. When booting I get the message: drivers/rtc/hctosys.c: unable to open rtc device (rtc0). I also notice that the time is set to the epoch.
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16:18 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 SDE | 8.0 released! | The Open T2 System Development Environment (SDE) | http://t2-project.org
16:18 -!- Topic set by rxr [~rene@85.183.32.143] [Wed Jul 28 15:50:12 2010]
16:18 [Users #t2]
16:18 [@ChanServ] [ koan ] [ mqueiros_ ] [ orici ] [ Stealth]
16:18 [ ch172 ] [ LMJ ] [ mtr ] [ rogermason]
16:18 [ CIA-32 ] [ mjungwirth] [ old_gaffer] [ rxr ]
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16:18 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Nov 26 07:44:08 2006
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16:18 < rxr> rogermason: I think I saw a line already, too
16:18 < rxr> think it went away with a newer kernel
16:27 < rogermason> if is install trunk again, do you have any ideas on getting the kernel to boot?
16:28 < rxr> maybe it is a better option to emerge stuff you need from trunk?
16:28 < rxr> slatest linux kernels appear to have new ppc64 regressions beside this KVM virtualization, they do not run as solid as the 8.0 release iso even for me :-(
16:31 < rogermason> I'm ok building from trunk, but it would be nice to have the machine know what the time is. yesterday when I built cracklib, that pulled in python, which kept doing its configure step in an endless loop because the system time was 1970(?).
16:50 < rxr> ntpdate time.apple.com
16:51 < rxr> the good think with Emerge from trunk is, that you can test multiple kernels / config until one works reliable
16:51 < rxr> currently there appears to be some hiccup with the latest "stable" kernels on ppc64
16:57 < rogermason> thanks, ntpdate works.
17:01 < rogermason> whick package contains the timezone data? /usr/share/zoneinfo/ just contains iso3166.tab and zone.tab and the link from /etc/localtime shows as a dead link.
17:27 < rxr> unfortunately glibc
19:06 < rogermason> :-( that is what I feared from the package matrix. Thanks.
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09:06 <@rxr> re
09:42 < CIA-32> rene * r37750 /trunk/package/network/pmacct/pmacct.desc: * updated pmacct (0.12.3 -> 0.12.4)
09:43 < CIA-32> rene * r37751 /trunk/package/gnome2/pango/pango.desc: * updated pango (1.28.1 -> 1.28.3)
09:43 < CIA-32> rene * r37752 /trunk/package/xorg/xdpyinfo/xdpyinfo.desc: * updated xdpyinfo (1.1.0 -> 1.2.0)
09:43 < CIA-32> rene * r37753 /trunk/package/audio/libsndfile/libsndfile.desc: * updated libsndfile (1.0.20 -> 1.0.22)
09:43 < CIA-32> rene * r37754 /trunk/package/network/bluez/bluez.desc: * updated bluez (4.72 -> 4.73)
09:43 < CIA-32> rene * r37755 /trunk/package/perl/perl-mailtools/perl-mailtools.desc: * updated perl-mailtools (2.06 -> 2.07)
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09:54 < adilix> hi all
09:55 < adilix> what exactly are the cd iso images, do i need them
09:55 < adilix> to start
10:03 <@rxr> the cd isos are pre-built binaries, bootable and installable
10:04 <@rxr> it is most easy to start with them, and just compile what you need on top
10:04 <@rxr> building everything from scratch can be more tricky, if you build on a foreign linux distribution
10:09 < adilix> are the iso cds the rescue binaries, i read in doku about rescue binaries
10:25 < adilix> so i start a download of the iso, i wanted to know if the isos are an environment for starting to build a system without to download additional packages and whats about the scripts are their in the cds
10:47 <@rxr> don't know what rescue binaries you mean
10:47 <@rxr> they are normal system binaries, like Fedora, SuSE, Ubuntu et. al.
10:47 <@rxr> you can use them to bulid source code, to build t2 you need to checkout the t2 source via svn
10:47 <@rxr> svn and all the other tools are included in these isos
10:48 <@rxr> so you can start with "svn checkout ..." after installing
10:48 < CIA-32> rene * r37756 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnumeric/gnumeric.desc: * updated gnumeric (1.10.10 -> 1.10.11)
10:49 <@rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/documentation/buildintro.html
10:50 < CIA-32> rene * r37757 /trunk/package/graphic/gimp/gimp.desc: * updated gimp (2.6.10 -> 2.6.11)
10:53 < adilix> ok thx i understand now, i need a permament internet connection
10:53 <@rxr> not necessarily
10:53 <@rxr> you can Download all in one go
10:54 <@rxr> e.g. before you build a whole target via Download -required
10:56 < adilix> all in one? you mean over 8000 packages
10:58 <@rxr> no, onle those you have selected
10:58 <@rxr> e.g. when you want to build your own cd and select a minimal x desktop only ~300 or so are downloaded
10:59 <@rxr> otherwise, if you start with the binary isos, and just build add-on what you need (e.g. x, firefox, etc.) you use Emerge-Pkg and it only downloads the source and dependencies as needed
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11:33 < rogermason> hello.
11:50 < adilix> ok thx and bye tor the moment
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11:58 < rogermason> I re-installed 8.0 on my G5. When booting I get the message: drivers/rtc/hctosys.c: unable to open rtc device (rtc0). I also notice that the time is set to the epoch.
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16:18 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 SDE | 8.0 released! | The Open T2 System Development Environment (SDE) | http://t2-project.org
16:18 -!- Topic set by rxr [~rene@85.183.32.143] [Wed Jul 28 15:50:12 2010]
16:18 [Users #t2]
16:18 [@ChanServ] [ koan ] [ mqueiros_ ] [ orici ] [ Stealth]
16:18 [ ch172 ] [ LMJ ] [ mtr ] [ rogermason]
16:18 [ CIA-32 ] [ mjungwirth] [ old_gaffer] [ rxr ]
16:18 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 13 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal]
16:18 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Nov 26 07:44:08 2006
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16:18 < rxr> rogermason: I think I saw a line already, too
16:18 < rxr> think it went away with a newer kernel
16:27 < rogermason> if is install trunk again, do you have any ideas on getting the kernel to boot?
16:28 < rxr> maybe it is a better option to emerge stuff you need from trunk?
16:28 < rxr> slatest linux kernels appear to have new ppc64 regressions beside this KVM virtualization, they do not run as solid as the 8.0 release iso even for me :-(
16:31 < rogermason> I'm ok building from trunk, but it would be nice to have the machine know what the time is. yesterday when I built cracklib, that pulled in python, which kept doing its configure step in an endless loop because the system time was 1970(?).
16:50 < rxr> ntpdate time.apple.com
16:51 < rxr> the good think with Emerge from trunk is, that you can test multiple kernels / config until one works reliable
16:51 < rxr> currently there appears to be some hiccup with the latest "stable" kernels on ppc64
16:57 < rogermason> thanks, ntpdate works.
17:01 < rogermason> whick package contains the timezone data? /usr/share/zoneinfo/ just contains iso3166.tab and zone.tab and the link from /etc/localtime shows as a dead link.
17:27 < rxr> unfortunately glibc
19:06 < rogermason> :-( that is what I feared from the package matrix. Thanks.
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