T2 IRC Log: 2005-06-14
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--- Log opened Tue Jun 14 00:00:00 2005
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00:04 < keinek> two mnemoc
00:04 < keinek> wuauau
00:05 < morfoh> keinek: we've to take care now ;)
00:05 * morfoh hides
00:06 < keinek> dont worry both are away
00:06 < keinek> :)
00:06 < keinek> i was looking for the games of t2.
00:07 < morfoh> keinek: but, what is displayed is another story ;)
00:07 < rxr> re
00:07 < keinek> but all appear be update.
00:08 < rxr> ,-)
00:08 < morfoh> rxr: update script works good :)
00:10 < rxr> yep - though I think most games have been up-to-date before ...
00:10 < rxr> keinek: maybe go and add some new ones ,-)
00:11 < keinek> ok
00:11 < keinek> i do.
00:12 < morfoh> rxr: I've started an embedded "ref" build on rc1 already ... I will add sth. like a embedded Firewall target soon ...
00:13 < _Lewellyn> someone pinged me?
00:14 < morfoh> Hi _Lewellyn ... who ?
00:14 < _Lewellyn> irssi indicated so, but i can't find it.
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00:34 < rxr> re
00:35 < _Lewellyn> re
00:35 < rxr> morfoh: there is this router/firewall thing - maybe unite with madtux to resurrect it ...
00:35 < rxr> hi _Lewellyn
00:35 < CIA-7> rene * r9655 /trunk/package/x11-ng/cairo/cairo.desc: * updated cairo (0.4.0 -> 0.5.0)
00:38 < rxr> anyone willing to test writing to:
00:38 < rxr> ec-outpost.dyndns.org/write
00:38 < rxr> via ftp and http ?
00:38 < _Lewellyn> yay google news. they, of course, have the block of articles about the jackson acquittal...
00:38 < rxr> some gentooer is not able to do so
00:38 < rxr> konquerer, ncftp and gftp work fine here via ftp
00:38 < _Lewellyn> it is followed by: Viagra May Treat Rare Lung Disease in Kids
00:41 < _Lewellyn> 550 Uploading not permitted here!
00:42 < _Lewellyn> that is what i get
00:42 < _Lewellyn> nm
00:42 < _Lewellyn> forgot to cd
00:42 < _Lewellyn> upload worked fine with ftp on osx
00:43 < _Ragnar_> re
00:44 < _Lewellyn> re _Ragnar_
00:44 < _Ragnar_> rxr: Creating file list and doing final adaptions ...
00:44 < _Ragnar_> Created file outside basedir: /lib/modules/2.4.21-rc1-rock/modules.dep
00:44 < _Ragnar_> Created file outside basedir: /lib/modules/2.4.21-rc1-rock/modules.generic_string
00:44 < _Ragnar_> ...
00:44 < _Ragnar_> Created file outside basedir: /lib/modules/2.4.21-rc1-rock/modules.usbmap
00:44 < _Ragnar_> base #1: /export/t2-trunk
00:44 < _Ragnar_> base #2: /export/t2-trunk/build/soekris-2.2.0-alpha-x86-embedded
00:44 < _Ragnar_> --- BUILD ERROR ---
00:45 < rxr> ouhm - yep someone else saw this lately
00:45 < rxr> _Lewellyn: oh - you have a mac ,-) thanks for the test
00:45 < rxr> _Lewellyn: any PR news from your gril ?
00:46 < _Lewellyn> she won't have free time for a few weeks :(
00:46 < _Lewellyn> i'm going to try to get her to stop in tomorrow.
00:46 < _Lewellyn> she has no time today
00:46 < _Lewellyn> and she has a mac. i just ssh over to my screen :)
00:47 < rxr> valentin: are you awake ?
00:48 < _Lewellyn> rxr: for reference, osx makes for a decent bsd box :)
00:50 < valentin> rxr: not really
00:50 < rxr> _Lewellyn: I don't really think so ...
00:51 < rxr> _Lewellyn: I'm on an iBook right now as well - but in Linux
00:51 < rxr> T2 Linxu flavour
00:51 < rxr> we even do commercial stuff for OSX - and I have to admit it is not that mature
00:51 < valentin> rxr: what is it ?
00:51 < rxr> valentin: quick reading thru an t2-live.txt ?
00:51 < _Lewellyn> well, i compiled most of the software myself, and tend to do so on fbsd as well
00:52 < _Lewellyn> i don@t notice much difference when porting software to darwin/fbsd
00:53 < rxr> _Lewellyn: I meant the UI for day by day power-use ...
00:55 < _Lewellyn> oh. i use it as a unix box.
00:56 < rxr> I meant for what Apple sells those - UI experience for day for day office and graphic use ...
00:56 < _Lewellyn> i'm on my palm, sshed in right now. i rarely actually see the machine.
00:56 < rxr> well - better it is ..
00:56 < rxr> with the slow and annoying UI ...
00:56 < rxr> and these option-less power-less wanna be applications ...
00:57 < _Lewellyn> i only ever use osx when i need illustrator nowadays
00:57 < _Lewellyn> and i have always sucked with illo
00:58 < _Lewellyn> all the way back to ver 5
00:59 < _Lewellyn> anyway, back to work with me; lunch is over :(
00:59 < valentin> rxr: where is it ?
00:59 < rxr> well - or just go sleeping
01:00 < rxr> it is a low end article anyway ..
01:00 < rxr> I just send it in ...
01:00 < rxr> save your time for more precious stuff
01:00 < rxr> valentin: is kersting better today ?
01:01 < valentin> yes, a bit
01:01 < valentin> but she wants me to bring her to bed now
01:01 < rxr> yeah - then go with her - I just send the article in ...
01:03 < valentin> ok, cu
01:03 < rxr> cu
01:29 < rxr> ethirc.pl <- hehe
01:34 < _Lewellyn> nethirc, you mean? :)
01:34 < _Lewellyn> it's a great client
01:34 < _Lewellyn> i'd like to make a package for it at some point :)
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01:52 < _Lewellyn> hoi ro :)
01:54 < romonster> hoi
02:06 < rxr> hi romonster
02:07 < romonster> hi
02:09 < _Lewellyn> ro's an artsy sort :)
02:10 < romonster> that depends what you mean by artsy :P
02:11 * rxr in bed - n8 all
02:13 < _Lewellyn> sleep well :)
02:13 < _Lewellyn> romonster: not a face painting mime :)
02:13 < _Lewellyn> romonster: good timing; joining as the channel finishes rolling up for the night ;)
02:14 < romonster> i do my best
02:16 -!- Postal [~Postal@ool-435627d0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #t2
02:16 < Postal> EXAMS ARE OVER
02:16 < Postal> ;-)
02:17 < _Lewellyn> yay! :)
02:17 < _Lewellyn> did you pass? :)
02:17 < Postal> of course
02:17 < Postal> does the new livecd support 64bit yet?
02:17 < _Lewellyn> not afaik
02:18 < _Lewellyn> wait, support, or is 64-bit?
02:18 < _Lewellyn> it boots fine on a em64t
02:18 < Postal> as in can i build a native 64 bit target
02:18 < _Lewellyn> VERY snappy user experience.
02:18 < _Lewellyn> oh. dunno. haven't tried :)
02:18 < Postal> we are going to find out
02:19 < _Lewellyn> well, if it works, i'll want to rsync a copy :)
02:19 < Postal> any serious errors been reported on amd64 in recent that would indicate a bad time for a base build?
02:20 < _Lewellyn> i've been hearing little of the way of problems at all; then again i'm not looking for them ;)
02:20 < Postal> _Lewellyn: is rene around?
02:20 < _Lewellyn> just went to bed
02:21 < Postal> aww thats to bad how bout mnemoc
02:21 < Postal> yeay 2 min away from live cd time
02:21 < _Lewellyn> idle for hours
02:22 < _Lewellyn> that was a quick build...
02:22 < Postal> no i am dl the live cd
02:22 < _Lewellyn> oh :)
02:22 < Postal> hmm im in freebsd i wonder what the best way to burn is
02:23 < _Lewellyn> cdrecord :)
02:23 < _Lewellyn> cdrtools
02:23 < _Lewellyn> whatever
02:23 < Postal> how to you use cdrecord from command line again
02:24 < Postal> i almost never use it,,
02:24 < _Lewellyn> dunno. i rarely burn discs at all
02:24 < Postal> lol me also
02:25 < Postal> ill figure it out\
02:25 < _Lewellyn> there's bound to be a HOWTO :)
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02:31 < _Lewellyn> hoi sparc-kly
02:45 < sparc-kly> hi all
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03:27 < Postal> the live cd is giving me problems
03:27 < Postal> im going to try and burn it again
03:28 < Postal> it does not boot the kernel, it just goes to a grub command prompt, but when i gave it the kernel location it came back with disk read error
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03:51 < _Lewellyn> Postal: you are using sata, right?
03:51 < _Lewellyn> intel piix?
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04:00 < mnemoc> rehi
04:03 < _Lewellyn> rehi mnemoc
04:04 < mnemoc> did you run livecd on that machine?
04:15 < _Lewellyn> on mine? yes.
04:15 < _Lewellyn> i sent rene the issues. he seemed aware of most already.
04:16 < _Lewellyn> i still wish i could resolve the sata issue satisfactorily
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05:26 < sepp_> moin
05:28 < _Lewellyn> how is?
05:29 < sepp_> tired
05:29 < sepp_> 5:30 here ...
05:29 < _Lewellyn> :(
05:29 < _Lewellyn> 2030 here
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09:09 < rxr> re
09:49 < rxr> Gr? 1/4 nder des Linux-Projekts Gentoo wechselt zu Microsoft Daniel Robbins, der Gr? 1/4 nder und fr? 1/4 here "Chef-Architekt" des Linux-Distributionsprojekts Gentoo, ist zu Microsoft gewechselt:
09:49 < rxr> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:49 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/60582
09:50 < rxr> Daniel Robbins accepts new position with Microsoft, finalizes transfer of Gentoo Technologies IP to the Gentoo Foundation
10:00 < rxr> http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/dvbt/
10:15 < CIA-7> rene * r9656 /trunk/package/archiver/alien/alien.desc: * updated alien (8.52 -> 8.53)
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10:24 < CIA-7> rene * r9657 /trunk/package/e17/imlib2/imlib2.desc: * updated imlib2 (1.2.0 -> 1.2.1)
10:24 < rxr> hi sparc-kly__
10:24 * rxr driving home in a few seconds ...
10:24 < valentin> gento is evil...
10:24 < valentin> moin
10:25 < rxr> crap to crap I would say ...
10:26 < rxr> ok - cu - /me of to the home ...
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10:50 < valentin> http://tagesschau.de/aktuell/meldungen/0,1185,OID4429584_TYP6_THE_NAV_REF1_BAB,00.html
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11:05 < rxr> valentin: btw did you sent the bill to the linux intern for your network article sss
11:05 < rxr> ? even
11:06 < rxr> rehi ...
11:07 < rxr> http://golem.de/0506/38616.html
11:07 < rxr> ^- Xen 3.0 upcomming features
11:18 < CIA-7> rene * r9658 /trunk/package/e17/imlib2_loaders/imlib2_loaders.desc: * updated imlib2_loaders (1.2.0 -> 1.2.1)
11:28 < valentin> sss is ?
11:29 < valentin> nope, not yet
11:29 < valentin> have to buy a bed, cu
11:30 < rxr> ...
11:30 < rxr> valentin: I would write the bill some day ...
11:30 < rxr> sss is a sz when I do not press shift quickly enough ...
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11:48 < CIA-7> rene * r9659 /trunk/package/multimedia/klear/klear.desc: * updated klear (0.1-alpha4 -> 0.1-rc2)
11:48 < CIA-7> rene * r9660 /trunk/package/base/mdadm/mdadm.desc: * updated mdadm (1.11.0 -> 1.12.0)
11:48 < rxr> http://forum.golem.de/read.php?4138,415849,415849#msg-415849#
11:56 < CIA-7> rene * r9661 /trunk/package/audio/alsa-driver/alsa-driver.desc: * updated alsa-driver (1.0.9a -> 1.0.9b)
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11:59 < rxr> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=152611&cid=12808175
12:01 < CIA-7> rene * r9662 /trunk/package/base/coreutils/coreutils.conf:
12:01 < CIA-7> * compile coreutils with a less recent default POSIX conformance level
12:01 < CIA-7> so we fix a lot of regressions (some even failed silently) due to
12:01 < CIA-7> old Makefiles and configure scripts still using tail -N; head -M
12:01 < CIA-7> and so on (and we do not want to patch them all ...)
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12:10 < rxr> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=152611&cid=12807880
12:13 < rxr> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=152611&cid=12808266
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12:15 < CIA-7> rene * r9663 /trunk/ (package/base/coreutils/coreutils.conf scripts/parse-config):
12:15 < CIA-7> * reverted r9662 - instead only set the posix conformance level inside
12:15 < CIA-7> the build, so users still get pedantic tools to create conforming
12:15 < CIA-7> scripts ,-)
12:18 < rxr> hm - I think a manual download vmware kernel postlinux kernel module build would make sense ...
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12:45 < CIA-7> rene * r9664 /trunk/architecture/sparc64/parse-config:
12:45 < CIA-7> * reworked sparc64 32bit user-space code to me more functional (minimal
12:45 < CIA-7> now mostly built ...)
13:05 < jsaw> hi there
13:05 < rxr> hi jsaw
13:05 < jsaw> hi rxr
13:06 < jsaw> have you read this: gentoo-founder goes m$...?
13:11 < rxr> yeap - posted links here ..
13:12 < rxr> on slashdot someone posted he was high in debs and has failed to make money with Gentoo or so - that is also why he got disant from it since over a year ...
13:13 < rxr> according to that posted
13:13 < rxr> links is somewhere above
13:13 < jsaw> oh, so it was his full time job... that's hard of course.
13:29 < rxr> how is your new flat and your paper doing ?
13:31 < jsaw> flat is almost fine; paper, ...? have to reactivate my brain before I can answer this...
13:40 < rxr> reactivate? what did you do to deactivate it *g ?
13:40 < jsaw> labor...
13:55 < rxr> ok - 2 o'clock ...
13:56 < rxr> what is on my todays TODO aside the golem news I and sparc rinkgin ... ;-)
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13:56 < rxr> hey ho morfoh
13:56 < morfoh> hey rxr :)
13:56 < rxr> s/rinkgin/tinkering/ ,-)
13:56 < rxr> first freshing tea ,-)
13:58 < morfoh> I've found an interesting thing -> http://maxrelax.de/~tknop/diet-router.html
13:58 < morfoh> rxr: including a dietlibc patch for iptables
14:00 < morfoh> but the dietlibc related gcc patches within T2 don't apply anymore
14:00 * morfoh away for some minutes
14:01 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0506/38626.html
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14:06 < sepp> hi
14:06 < valentin> hi all
14:07 < sepp> hi valentin
14:08 < rxr> hi valentin
14:08 < CIA-7> rene * r9665 /trunk/architecture/sparc64/parse-config:
14:08 < CIA-7> * removed tiny thinko in sparc64/parse-config to not build gcc
14:08 < CIA-7> as pure 32bit applications, but as 64bit compiler and let the
14:08 < CIA-7> multilib build support build a 32 and 64 bit version of each library
14:08 < rxr> hi sepp
14:08 < valentin> hi sepp, rxr
14:08 < sepp> hi rxr
14:13 < rxr> valentin: I call you shortly ?
14:13 < valentin> ok
14:14 < morfoh> hi valentin + sepp :)
14:15 < valentin> hi morpho
14:15 < sepp> hello morfoh
14:15 < sepp> are you a little blue butterfly?
14:18 < sepp> http://www.mexicodesconocido.com.mx/espanol/naturaleza/fauna/mariposa_morfo_vuelo_azul_en_el_tropico_mexicano_1.jpg
14:22 < morfoh> sepp: oh! this butterfly is called morfoh ?
14:23 < sepp> yes
14:23 < sepp> or morpho
14:24 < sepp> pkg_foo_pre.conf runs after foo is extracted already?
14:37 < rxr> oehm?
14:37 < rxr> extracted?
14:38 < rxr> no - it should run when the config is parsed
14:38 < rxr> thus before the build_this_packag function extracts it later on
14:38 < sepp> ahh thanks
14:40 < morfoh> rxr: do we have some naming conventions regarding foo while running Config -cfg foo for officially distributed desktop iso's ?
14:41 < rxr> well - only the ISO name
14:41 < rxr> it should be t2-$target-$ver
14:41 < rxr> err
14:41 < rxr> it should be t2-$target-$ver-$arch-$opt
14:42 < rxr> e.g. t2-desktop-2.1.0-beta3-pentium-mmx
14:45 < morfoh> rxr: but atm we've t2-$ver-$arch-$opt-$target
14:46 < morfoh> at least in in the build dir
14:46 < rxr> the build dir does not matter at all for me
14:50 < rxr> ouhm - larget than 19" TFT are still a bit expensive ...
14:54 < morfoh> rxr: what do I have to rebuild if I enable gcj support afterwards on a target ?
14:55 < rxr> I would only rebuild gcc ...
14:55 < morfoh> I think we've to enable it in config.in on the desktop target ... because the bdb*-java things still fail
14:55 < rxr> yeah ...
14:56 < morfoh> I test it right now ... if it will solve the problem
14:56 < rxr> that or add jikes if I followed mnemoc storries well enough
14:56 < morfoh> hmmm ... I just set SDECFG_PKG_GCC_JAVA=1 atm
14:59 < rxr> hmmm - to they place gold in the 21" LCDs ?
14:59 < rxr> why are they so damn expensive - still ... ?
15:00 < morfoh> rxr: what display type/manufacturer do you prefer ?
15:02 < rxr> no idea yet ...
15:02 < rxr> Eizo or IBM or so ?
15:03 < sepp> hmm you better buy 2 19" tft's
15:03 < rxr> sepp: yeah - that is what the price indicates ...
15:04 < morfoh> rxr: can we take a look over the not applying dietlibc patches for gcc today ... ?
15:05 < sepp> is it ok if i make a xorg option for the 2d unichrome driver?
15:06 < sepp> menu ...
15:06 < rxr> what kind of option ?
15:06 < rxr> morfoh: for gcc?
15:06 < sepp> a config.in thing to build xorg but use the other unichrome driver
15:07 < sepp> i tested 2 notebooks with this chip xorg does not work on them :(
15:07 < rxr> you mean the sourceforge hosted via code drop in addition to the in X via driver ?
15:07 < sepp> as exchange
15:07 < sepp> yes
15:08 < rxr> well - I think most of the code is already in X.org CVS, is it ?
15:08 < sepp> yes
15:08 < sepp> they sync from time to time
15:08 < rxr> it would be ok with me to add a "big" x.org via CVS patch
15:09 < rxr> I already have this for radeon (for full functionality on PowerPC)
15:09 < morfoh> rxr: yes ... there are some gcc patches for dietlibc in our repo ... but they don't apply atm. while trying to build an embedded dietlibc target
15:09 < rxr> hm
15:09 < rxr> morfoh: ok - I review (and urgently need to setup an own set of regression trackers for this)
15:11 < sepp> rxr: xorg only or unichrome.sf.net, they fixed some more things that are not in the xorg cvs
15:11 < morfoh> rxr: indeed that would be quite helpful ;)
15:11 < morfoh> rxr: have you seen my link for that diet-router thing above ?
15:11 < morfoh> rxr: they have included an iptables patch for dietlibc
15:12 < rxr> sepp: okok - then use the sf.net code ,-)
15:12 < rxr> morfoh: yep - saw it
15:12 * morfoh shortly away
15:13 < morfoh> rxr: ok
15:17 < sepp> i have to leave no - cu
15:18 < rxr> cu sepp
15:44 < rxr> hint for wine use:
15:44 < rxr> do not mess with your .wine
15:44 < rxr> just run wineprefixcreate for the first run and it will do most of the work itself ...
16:01 < mnemoc> moin
16:02 < mnemoc> Error logs from desktop-2.1.0-rc1-x86-pentium4-desktop:
16:02 < mnemoc> [5] mail/spamassassin
16:02 < mnemoc> 669 builds total, 444 completed fine, 1 with errors.
16:02 < mnemoc> hi rxr, morfoh
16:02 < mnemoc> morfoh: how are your desktops going?
16:03 < morfoh> oh hi mnemoc :)
16:03 < mnemoc> hi :)
16:03 < morfoh> yes ... the bdb*-java stuff still failed
16:03 < morfoh> because it complained about gcj support
16:04 < morfoh> I enabled SDECFG_PKG_GCC_JAVA=1 localy but it didn't fixt it so far
16:04 < morfoh> checking if gcj -C works... yes
16:04 < morfoh> checking for jar... jar
16:04 < morfoh> checking for java... no
16:04 < morfoh> checking for kaffe... no
16:04 < morfoh> configure: error: no acceptable Java virtual machine found in $PATH
16:04 < morfoh> Due to previous errors, no 5-bdb-java.log file!
16:05 < mnemoc> uhm
16:05 < mnemoc> no java @ desktop
16:05 < mnemoc> :)
16:05 < morfoh> mnemoc: yep
16:05 < mnemoc> i think kaffe is better than gcj
16:05 < morfoh> what package(s) should be included
16:05 < mnemoc> just kaffe i guess
16:05 < morfoh> ok ... let's see
16:08 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, did you noticed the earthquake in chile yesterday ?
16:08 < mnemoc> on the north, yes
16:10 < valentin> moin mnemoc
16:11 < rxr> hi mnemoc
16:11 < mnemoc> moin valentin, rxr
16:12 < morfoh> mnemoc: kaffe needs jikes ?
16:13 < mnemoc> morfoh: recommended, but it has it's own javac
16:13 < morfoh> checking for library containing sem_init... none required
16:13 < morfoh> checking for jikes... no
16:13 < morfoh> checking whether to use jikes... configure: error: No jikes compiler found. It is required to build Kaffe's class library. Recommended is jikes version 1.21 or higher.
16:13 < mnemoc> :p
16:14 < morfoh> :P
16:14 < mnemoc> it is required now :)
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16:17 < Postal> Hey all
16:17 < morfoh> Hi Postal
16:17 < Postal> rene you around?
16:17 < Postal> hi morfoh
16:17 < mnemoc> hi Postal
16:18 < Postal> my exams are finally over
16:18 < Postal> does the new livecd support a native build of the x86_64 target?
16:19 < mnemoc> .oO
16:19 < rxr> Postal: well - I still have not all the code used to build the live cd target in the live cd target ...
16:19 < rxr> but in theory our x86_64 support should be fully mature now
16:19 < Postal> rxr: will i have to cross compile first?
16:20 < rxr> best give it a try on a system build
16:20 < rxr> "in theory" not ...
16:20 < rxr> best stress the build system to uncover bugs ,-)
16:20 < Postal> rxr: you mean i should use a host system that is not the live cd to build t2 or i should try and use the live cd to build t2?
16:20 < rxr> the only thing in the biarch support that needs fixing is to get libstdc++ build with multiarch support
16:20 < rxr> however this is only important for sparc64 - and not for x86-64 ...
16:21 < rxr> Postal: use your current system to build t2 ,-)
16:21 < valentin> rxr: what do you guess, how long will kde* build on my iBook ?
16:21 < rxr> valentin: *long*
16:21 < rxr> the basiscs over a day I think
16:21 < sparc-kly__> 25 hrs
16:21 < Postal> rxr: i am using fedora core 4 and it uses gcc 4.0 is that ok?
16:21 < rxr> ouhm
16:21 < valentin> rxr, sparc-kly__ : i'll take the bets :)
16:22 < rxr> wel - tough 4.0 is not really stabel - try it
16:22 < rxr> red hat is know to ship cr*p ...
16:22 < Postal> rxr: ok, i actually have to install the Fedora Core the cds are sitting on my desk so ill get round to it in a bit
16:22 < rxr> I would not use gcc-4.x as system compiler until 4.0.1 - maybe even later ...
16:23 < Postal> rxr: well 4.0 will only be used to build t2's build toolchain, and then your version of gcc will be used for the actual build correct?
16:23 < morfoh> mnemoc: so far it looks good after adding jikes+kaffe to the desktop target ;)
16:24 < Postal> i have to go and take my bro to a doctors apointment ill be back in 2 hours then ill svn up and start the build
16:24 -!- Postal is now known as Postal|Out
16:24 < mnemoc> morfoh: i'll commit that to the target then
16:25 < rxr> valentin: remove the kdelibs or kdebase hal patch before you emerge
16:25 < rxr> it does not apply and I have not yet review if it is fully merged into the 3.4.1 release ...
16:29 < valentin> rxr, ok - thx
16:31 < valentin> what was the syntax again to merge a whole repository ?
16:32 < rxr> Emerge -repository kde
16:34 < rxr> hm - the Linux INTERN CD with suse and knoppix does not appear to like to boot on my Pentium MMX 233
16:34 < rxr> both the class T2 install as well as the Live boots on it ...
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16:37 < CIA-7> amery * r9666 /tags/2.1.0-rc1/target/desktop/config.in: * added kaffe and jikes to desktop target, needed by bdb*-java and audacity
16:37 < rxr> mnemoc: do you also add it in branches/2.1 and trunk ?
16:37 < mnemoc> rxr: sure
16:38 < mnemoc> rxr: i have 323 commits 'unread' to be merged or tested and merged.
16:38 < mnemoc> rxr: did you grab my minimal iso from my rsync:// ?
16:39 < rxr> maybe I promose to rm -rf the misc/*x* fonts?
16:39 < rxr> they only seem to cause problems ...
16:39 < rxr> mnemoc: nope
16:39 < rxr> is it final? then I grab it ...
16:40 < mnemoc> rxr: minimal, yes. it is
16:40 < rxr> I rm -rf all the rock releases on the server - no space left ...
16:40 < CIA-7> chris * r9667 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in: * added jikes, kaffe to the desktop target, to fix bdb-java, bdb33-java and audacity builds
16:40 < mnemoc> rxr: desktop is the delayed
16:41 < rxr> mnemoc: merging the _POSIX* thing I did this morning should be pretty safe and fix issues in packages ...
16:41 < mnemoc> rxr: runtime?
16:41 < rxr> yes - one env var in the build env
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16:42 < mnemoc> rxr: what packages should i rebuild after the merge?
16:42 < rxr> none
16:43 < rxr> for the release
16:43 < rxr> it fixes stuff that silently failed to detect or incompletely build
16:43 < rxr> due to tali -N and friends not supoprted
16:43 < rxr> I noticed in a multilib sparc64 build issue in gcc itself ...
16:43 < mnemoc> oh
16:43 < mnemoc> ok
16:43 < rxr> but those are all minor stuff
16:44 < rxr> we had this for over a year and so far no issue that we noticed
16:44 < mnemoc> rc2 then?
16:44 < rxr> but I think it is a nice to have - yes -rc2 is enough
16:44 < rxr> the env relaxes handling of tail and friends to allow -N syntax in the build
16:44 < rxr> so we do not have to patch the hundred and more ramining locatoins where it is used
16:44 < morfoh> rxr: hmmm ... tried to create a new dietlibc patches for gcc ... but it don't work :/
16:44 < rxr> I first patched coreutils - but noticed it is a bad idea to allow T2 users to use the obsolete syntax
16:45 < rxr> just allowing it in the build should eb well enough
16:45 < mnemoc> rxr: for rc2, should i try a reference with merged gcc, glibc and dietlibc?
16:45 < rxr> mnemoc: do not merge dietlibc
16:45 < mnemoc> ok
16:45 < mnemoc> glibc?
16:45 < rxr> the new dietlibc does not build on x86-64 due to ICE in gcc ...
16:45 < rxr> yes - glibc is fine
16:46 * netrunner now measuring the quality of software here by counting question marks in comments.
16:46 < netrunner> *grusel* IF (0=1) THEN DO /*???CHANGE TO 0=1 */
16:47 < mnemoc> /*????*/ is worse than /*???*/ on QA? pff
16:48 < rxr> netrunner: then the assembler fragments I posted over the weekend form a commrcial windows driver are for you ... ,-)
16:51 < rxr> netrunner: guess how funny ; ???? comments are in assembly files ..
16:51 < rxr> (and why would not trust any vendor provided binary only dirver in any OS - be it Windows or Linux ...)
16:52 < rxr> and why Windows is not to be trusted at all due to the base uppon such questionable binary junk
16:52 < netrunner> rxr: well, in this case I would love not to have the source because then I would just open a ticket.#
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16:58 < Postal|Out> rene you*-+around?
16:58 < rxr> yep
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17:24 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Thu Jun 9 04:36:32 2005]
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17:41 < CIA-7> chris * r9668 /trunk/package/develop/trac/trac.desc: * updated trac (0.8 -> 0.8.2)
17:45 -!- sparc-kly__ is now known as sparc-kly
17:54 < CIA-7> amery * r9669 /branches/2.1/target/desktop/config.in: * merged 9666 from 2.1.0-rc1: added kaffe and jikes to desktop target, needed by bdb*-java and audacity
18:10 < morfoh> rxr_: do you have time to take a short look at the gcc patches for dietlibc ? Our patches are made for 3.2.3
18:11 < rxr_> ...
18:11 < rxr_> I take the look now
18:11 < rxr_> morfoh: how to reproduce? normal embedded+dietlibc ?
18:12 < valentin> !> pkgprefix: arts record is old, please rebuild
18:12 < valentin> grummel...
18:13 < mnemoc> :)
18:13 < morfoh> rxr_: yes ... I choosed embedded + dietlibc
18:13 < mnemoc> rxr_: what do you think about adding Config -oldconfig to Emerge, and _old_ emerge X packages?
18:14 < rxr_> you mean emerge anything installed but updated ?
18:14 < valentin> and arts failed because of !> pkgprefix: openldap record is old, please rebuild
18:15 < mnemoc> rxr_: no, update config/$cfg/ before emerging
18:15 < rxr_> vi /var/adm/package/openldap
18:15 < rxr_> insert:
18:15 < rxr_> Prefix: usr
18:15 < rxr_> I think
18:15 < mnemoc> :)
18:18 < mnemoc> i have forgotten how beatyful misc/archive/compare.sh was :)
18:22 < sparc-kly> sun release opensolaris code today . http://opensolaris.org
18:22 < mnemoc> oh
18:22 < mnemoc> how 'open'?
18:24 < rxr_> sun crap is not open - and when you look at it you have a problem ocntributing to really open projects ...
18:24 < rxr_> mnemoc: open as in trap people into its license - see various discussions about it
18:27 < valentin> rxr: yes, you said so before (but i forgot to check that before building)
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18:58 * rxr_ shortly off
18:58 < valentin> quite heavy rain
18:59 < mnemoc> also here
18:59 < mnemoc> and 6 days of heavy rain are announced :(
19:00 < morfoh> valentin: really ? then I've to move ... because it's not raining here in P
19:00 * valentin building an ark
19:01 < valentin> http://www.wetteronline.de/daten/radar/dber/2005/06/141645.gif?24a814fce2d563e086aa9707af03e620&LANG=de
19:02 * morfoh moving home now ... cu later
19:02 < valentin> cu
19:03 < morfoh> cu all
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19:32 * rxr_ booting into the latest and greated linux 2.6.11 (.12-dist) kernel ...
19:33 < mnemoc> there is a trouble on lilo generation due to -dist :\
19:33 < mnemoc> label names are to long
19:33 < rxr_> ouhm
19:36 < mnemoc> OT: will you merge sparc64 stuff to 2.1 or should i hunt and discover the involved revisions?
19:37 < rxr_> I'll do when they are ready - you can focus on the important stuff ...
19:37 < mnemoc> :)
19:46 < CIA-7> amery * r9670 /branches/2.1/misc/pkgsel/minimal-desktop.in: * merged 9649 from 2.1.0-rc1: changed minimal-desktop.in, apr.* instead of apache; perl-xml-parser is needed for gimp; and sjog removed
19:50 < CIA-7> amery * r9671 /trunk/misc/pkgsel/minimal-desktop.in: * merged 9649 from 2.1.0-rc1: changed minimal-desktop.in, apr.* instead of apache; perl-xml-parser is needed for gimp; and sjog removed
19:51 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
19:51 < minto> Hi all
19:51 < mnemoc> hi minto
19:52 < minto> hi mnemoc, I decided to learn your language.
19:53 < minto> Just spend 3 weeks in Spain withou speaking any word spanish.
19:54 < mnemoc> :)
19:54 < mnemoc> spanish is very easy to learn
19:54 < mnemoc> at least that's what people say :p
19:55 < minto> I recognized lots of english and french words.
19:55 < minto> I must be easy if it is languange number 1 in the world.
20:03 < rxr_> ouhm ...
20:03 -!- You're now known as rxr
20:04 < _Ragnar_> wb:)
20:09 < rxr> yeah -hi
20:09 < rxr> kernel update did not went all that smooth
20:10 < mnemoc> hi _Ragnar_
20:10 < mnemoc> rxr: what happened?
20:16 < CIA-7> rene * r9672 /trunk/architecture/x86/ (kernel-disable.lst kernel.conf.sh):
20:16 < CIA-7> * marked both CONFIG_FB_RIVA and CONFIG_FB_RADEON kernel-disable
20:16 < CIA-7> too broken to be true
20:16 < rxr> ^- this is the first thing that continously get's on my nerv ...
20:17 < rxr> reboot - black screen when hotplug++ loads this damn crappy radeon module ...
20:22 < rxr> oh - I think I caused the 2nd problem myself ...
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20:28 < CIA-7> rene * r9673 /trunk/architecture/share/kernel-block.conf.m4:
20:28 < CIA-7> * fixed the Linux MD supoprt to built - bug introduced in r8499
20:28 < CIA-7> (though the implementations are modular the config option must be
20:28 < CIA-7> =Y to enable the subsystem - sigh)
20:28 < rxr> so - let's see if I can use the resulting kernel in 30 minutes or so ...
20:29 < rxr> though the sound module behaved strange ...
20:29 < rxr> snd_via* s.th. complained about missing symbol - but 2.6.11.7 (my current kernel) worked fine ... and I doubt the soundf bits got touched since then ...)=
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20:32 < rxr> OpenSolaris Code Released ... Some other highlights include the GRUB bootloader, ...
20:33 < rxr> ^- ?!?!?!? So OpenSlowlaris gave us GRUB or what ?
20:33 < rxr> SMF (Service Management Facility) which replaces init.d scripts, it starts up processes in parallel for faster boots
20:33 < rxr> ^- yeah we need to convert to s.th. like that by default, too
20:34 < rxr> "It seems that Apple has chosen to use the Trusted Platform Module chip to ensure that Mac OS X can only run on Apple Hardware."
20:37 < morfoh> re hi
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20:41 < morfoh> rxr: my brother forcasted a dark furture for linux regarding the cpu change of apple yesterday in phone talk... I just could laugh about it :)
20:45 < morfoh> rxr: btw, did you were able to get a look on that dietlibc/gcc issue ?
20:52 < rxr> morfoh: I'll "today" - right now I want to get an updated kernel booted ...
20:52 < rxr> :-(((
20:52 < rxr> yeah - the Apple CPU switch will not affect Linux at all
20:52 < morfoh> rxr: ok
20:53 < rxr> I predict if it affects it only positively - due to the people used to switch and want to use s.th. more powerful
20:53 < rxr> Apple is doing a lot of nonsense with their OS and most Apps suck ...
20:53 * rxr booting again - cu
20:53 < morfoh> cu
20:54 < rxr> oh - and when people noticed being locked to one big monopolist - people will not fall into the same trap again when Apple starts to gain marked share ..
21:07 < mnemoc> svn: REPORT of '/t2/!svn/bc/9669': timed out waiting for server (http://svn.exactcode.de) <--- fifth time :\
21:07 < mnemoc> six
21:10 < mnemoc> aaarg...
21:10 < mnemoc> i just want to see the history of gcc!! is it that hard?!
21:10 < rxr> hm
21:10 < rxr> poor mnemoc
21:10 < mnemoc> my link sucks :)
21:11 < rxr> traffic shape all power to mnemoc ,-)
21:11 < mnemoc> :)
21:11 < morfoh> rxr: I'll shutdomy link imediately
21:11 < morfoh> shutdown
21:23 < mnemoc> rxr: is r8811 problem solved?
21:35 < rxr> 8811 as it if valid
21:35 < mnemoc> what about zlib problem?
21:36 < rxr> though I do not off hand if libffi was hacked later on to build even with gcj disabled ..
21:36 < rxr> mnemoc: that is not a problem per se
21:36 < rxr> IIRC the only change minto wanted to do is to get libffi I think the others are just comemnts
21:36 < rxr> we do not want zlib or so in a gcc build anyway ...
21:36 < rxr> the only really intesting part was libffi
21:38 < mnemoc> let see :)
22:23 < rxr> oum - I wiped ccache - and the kernel is still building ...
22:23 < rxr> over an hour on the 2500+ Athlon XP ....
22:23 < rxr> since 21:11
22:23 < rxr> and it is 22:23 now ..
22:23 < rxr> ah - now it finihsed ,-)
22:25 < mnemoc> linux26 takes 1:20h cache-less and 25m cached here :)
22:25 < rxr> 5355 compiler invocations during the linux build ...
22:25 < rxr> 1:12 chacheless here it seems ...
22:25 < rxr> our new rock-less cache implementation indeed rocks majorly ,-)
22:26 < rxr> but I need to add the optimization level to the ccache dir ..
22:26 < rxr> and even the compiler version ...
22:26 < rxr> so /me reboot ...
22:28 < rxr> hm - same via alsa sound module symbol missing with clean rebuild without cache
22:28 < mnemoc> yes, using per-build cache didn't improve linux26 build time
22:28 < rxr> that at least increased my belive in the mature of ccache ...
22:32 < valentin> re
22:32 < valentin> damn, how long do kdelibs build...
22:32 < rxr> long
22:33 < rxr> we need to create a VPN and cluster all the PowerPCs we have ...
22:33 < mnemoc> kde* takes loooooong
22:33 < rxr> without --enable-final and then with gcc-4.0 it will be much faster
22:33 < mnemoc> rxr: how advanced is desktop-2.1.0-rc1-ppc build?
22:33 < rxr> tough --enable-final often created better optmized binaries ...
22:33 * rxr hides ...
22:34 < mnemoc> zero?
22:34 < rxr> mnemoc: we release without it as usual and I provide the ISOs when finished
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22:34 < rxr> mnemoc: the rs6k server is slooooooooooow and I soon need to free it's diskspace and and and ...
22:34 < mnemoc> did you grab my minimal iso?
22:34 < rxr> I asked for report the url ... if you had I would have start the download ,-)
22:35 < valentin> Protocol not supported
22:35 < valentin> http
22:35 < rxr> ?
22:35 < valentin> ^-- konqueror
22:35 < mnemoc> neon?
22:36 < sepp> hello
22:36 < rxr> ouh oh
22:36 < rxr> hello sepp
22:36 < sepp> hello rxr
22:37 < sepp> i am rebuilding xorg with uni...
22:38 < sepp> lets see how long it takes on the laptop :)
22:39 < mnemoc> sepp: less than ooo :)
22:40 < sepp> hehe, btw hi mnemoc
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22:41 < rxr> valentin: killall kdeinit and co - if s.th. was running from befor the build they will no longer work due to missing - old - libs ...
22:41 < rxr> damn raid crap
22:41 < rxr> even mdadm gets on my nerve
22:42 < rxr> people need to learn to write intuitive software ...
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22:59 < valentin> we have to get up in the morning. until then.
23:00 < rxr> cu
23:01 < rxr> ouhm - damn soft raid crap ...
23:01 < rxr> or how to waste much time of life
23:03 < rxr> ah - damn
23:03 < sepp> what should "this pkg contains additional kernel mods build with any kernel" mean?
23:04 < rxr> sepp: it is an message to the average joe users that kernel modules are not build with normal packages but with any kernel and that this package build includes kernel modules not build right now - but with any kernel build as postlinux 3rd party kernel build
23:04 < sepp> ahh uhm i thought this but the massage is really strange
23:04 < rxr> sepp: patches for more verboseness are welcome ,-)
23:05 < rxr> so there is my soft raid /home again ...
23:05 * rxr kicks mdadm devels ...
23:06 < CIA-7> amery * r9674 /tags/2.1.0-rc1/package/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * changed last ene@exactcode.de -> rene@t2-project.org
23:06 < rxr> ene@ ?
23:06 < mnemoc> :p
23:07 < mnemoc> incomplete select
23:07 < rxr> so - and why the h*ll do the alsa drivers in my 3 times built linux-2.6.11.12-skas3-dist not work ...
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23:07 < rxr> mnemoc: you do polishing like crazzy it seems ?
23:07 < mnemoc> did it work on older linux26 version?
23:07 < rxr> yes
23:07 < rxr> 2.6.11.7 was just fine
23:08 < rxr> and the live CD kernel (2.6.11.8 or so) works fine too
23:08 < rxr> thogh maybe it is "only" some T2 config change ?
23:08 < mnemoc> rc1 has .10 :(
23:09 < rxr> mnemoc: release it ....
23:09 < rxr> it might be even local ...
23:09 < rxr> whatever sooner or later I'll find out ...
23:09 < rxr> mnemoc: did you test that the ISO install sss
23:09 < rxr> =?
23:09 < mnemoc> tag is froken now
23:09 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. did you already repaste the rsync coordinates ?
23:09 < mnemoc> i installed minimal successfully
23:10 < mnemoc> rsync://t2.geeks.cl
23:10 < mnemoc> list is enabled ;)
23:10 < mnemoc> ok... rsync://t2.geeks.cl/t2-iso/
23:12 < rxr> btw. my main workstation with /home on a RAID-5 is as populated that a ls ~rene takes:
23:12 < rxr> real 0m3.989s
23:12 < rxr> user 0m0.006s
23:12 < rxr> sys 0m0.028s
23:12 < rxr> I guess time to clean up ...
23:13 < sepp> rxr: "this pkg depends on some 3rd party kernel mods. that wont be rebuild right now - you may have to rebuild your kernel" ??
23:13 < _Lewellyn> better hierarchy? :)
23:13 < rxr> yeha ...
23:13 < rxr> sepp: I wanted to only use one line ...
23:13 < rxr> but if you think two are necessary, ...
23:13 < rxr> hm - I wonder if the rsync port is open to the outside ...
23:14 < rxr> in this shitty uni ...
23:14 < sepp> i dont know my english is too bad
23:14 < rxr> .oO
23:15 < rxr> mnemoc: you have an ssh account on that box - at least you had in the past - could you upload?
23:15 < rxr> the uni firewall does not let go rsync go thru ...
23:15 < rxr> did I mention this uni sucks ?
23:15 < rxr> mnemoc: ack - your account is still there ...
23:16 < rxr> or I could grab via http or ftp ... :-(
23:16 < rxr> or tunnel thru ssh via whatever box ...
23:16 < rxr> or hack the Checkpoint(?) firewall in between ...
23:16 < mnemoc> rxr: uhm?
23:16 < rxr> yeah?
23:18 < rxr> _Lewellyn: wasn't hierarchy for people without a recent desktop serch?
23:19 < rxr> the finder^folder is dead - long live spotfind
23:20 < rxr> oehm
23:20 < rxr> oehm
23:20 < rxr> gruebel
23:20 < rxr> modprobe snd
23:20 < rxr> Jun 14 23:19:27 haudraufinix kernel: snd: Unknown parameter `device_mode'
23:20 < rxr> what the heck ?
23:21 < rxr> modprobe.conf:options snd device_mode=0666
23:21 < rxr> ouhm - is it my fault ?
23:21 < rxr> # --- BEGIN: Generated by ALSACONF, do not edit. ---
23:21 < rxr> # --- ALSACONF verion 1.0.7rc2 ---
23:21 < rxr> options snd device_mode=0666
23:21 < rxr> haha - it is not
23:21 < rxr> never ever do I start crap other paste in this channel ...
23:22 < rxr> ok - so - finally - all fixed up and it was not the kernels fault ,-)
23:22 < rxr> so mnemoc you can relax - no sound regression in whatever 2.6.11 kernel ,-)
23:22 < mnemoc> :)
23:22 * rxr rebooting once more to check if _FINALLY_ all is working ...
23:23 < mnemoc> btw, http://t2.geeks.cl/iso/ points to the same place that rsync
23:23 < rxr> mnemoc: and you can tell me what you propose to sync ISOs thru the uni firewall ...
23:25 < rxr> ok - all comming up fine ...
23:26 < mnemoc> i don't follow you....
23:26 < _Lewellyn> rxr: spotlight is slow. :(
23:26 < rxr> _Lewellyn: apple tells me it is the future ...
23:26 < _Lewellyn> and so is cisc, apparently ;)
23:28 < mnemoc> i have to go
23:28 < mnemoc> back in 40 minutes
23:28 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - cu then
23:28 < rxr> curl -O running
23:28 < rxr> 28.81K/s ETA 1:23:03
23:29 < rxr> vmnet 27972 0
23:29 < rxr> vmmon 105036 0
23:29 < rxr> ok - finally ...
23:30 < rxr> the reason I rebuild the kernel ...
23:30 < CIA-7> amery * r9675 /branches/2.1/package/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * merged 9674 from 2.1.0-rc1: changed last rene@exactcode.de -> rene@t2-project.org
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23:36 < rxr> oh my god - why are the vmware installer and init script such monsters ...
23:39 < rxr> # rm /etc/vmware/not_configured
23:39 < rxr> rm: remove regular empty file `/etc/vmware/not_configured'? y
23:50 < _Lewellyn> heh
23:50 < _Lewellyn> vmware is a pos :)
23:51 < rxr> pos ?
23:51 < _Lewellyn> piece of s***
23:51 < rxr> ack
23:51 < rxr> _Lewellyn: ah - maybe you can answer a question before I continue tinkering
23:51 < _Lewellyn> in my complimentary 30-day support period, i was only able to open two issues.
23:51 < rxr> _Lewellyn: how good is vmware performance ?
23:51 < _Lewellyn> mainly because it took 30 days to resolve those
23:51 < _Lewellyn> and i still have a boatload more
23:51 < _Lewellyn> it's pretty good, considering what it does
23:52 < rxr> as in % of host performance ?
23:52 < _Lewellyn> hard to say, since i'm not able to accurately judge. i've never run windows on here ;)
23:53 < _Lewellyn> this was a "real" unix box until vmware (and therefore linux) was installed on it.
23:53 < _Lewellyn> however, windows xp runs quite functionally on here.
23:53 < _Lewellyn> dual p3 with 1gb ram.
23:53 < rxr> ok - I'll continue try ...
23:53 < _Lewellyn> what kind of issues are you having?
23:54 < _Lewellyn> (are you trying to package it?)
23:54 < rxr> I only do this pain to get naturally speaking running and use it in vmware until I finally get it to work with wine ...
23:54 < rxr> _Lewellyn: no I jsut try to get it runnin
23:54 < rxr> g
23:54 < rxr> I build the kernel modules manually
23:54 < _Lewellyn> ok. why did you remove not_configured?
23:54 < rxr> but had to hack the install perl beast to not try to do itself ...
23:54 < _Lewellyn> and i always let it build the modules
23:54 < rxr> because every time I rc vmware start it adds the file ..
23:55 < rxr> # /etc/rc.d/init.d/vmware start
23:55 < rxr> Starting VMware services: Virtual machine monitor failed Virtual ethernet failed Bridged networking on /dev/vmnet0 failed Host-only networking on /dev/vmnet1 (background) done Host-only networking on /dev/vmnet8 (background) done
23:55 < rxr> NA serviceo on /dev/vmnet8 failed
23:55 < _Lewellyn> probably because it's not fully configured.
23:55 < _Lewellyn> and this looks like vmware 5
23:55 < rxr> btw at what point does it want the license key ?
23:55 < _Lewellyn> after you configure it and then go to run it
23:55 < rxr> yes - latest demo from their size
23:55 < rxr> site ven
23:55 < _Lewellyn> (hint, do not run vmware as root)
23:56 < rxr> I configured it aside that I hacked the kernel module build away ..
23:56 < _Lewellyn> ah. i've not used vmware 5 yet. a couple of guys in the office are using it now.
23:56 < _Lewellyn> and the modules built just fine for them on 2.6.11.x
23:56 < rxr> guess you have to pay big bucks for the commercial use ... :-(
23:56 < rxr> I normally have no kernel sources around ...
23:56 < _Lewellyn> it's the same price, regardless of the user
23:57 < _Lewellyn> ah
23:57 < rxr> but I place a copy into /usr/src to make it happy now ...
23:57 < _Lewellyn> kernel sources++
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00:04 < keinek> two mnemoc
00:04 < keinek> wuauau
00:05 < morfoh> keinek: we've to take care now ;)
00:05 * morfoh hides
00:06 < keinek> dont worry both are away
00:06 < keinek> :)
00:06 < keinek> i was looking for the games of t2.
00:07 < morfoh> keinek: but, what is displayed is another story ;)
00:07 < rxr> re
00:07 < keinek> but all appear be update.
00:08 < rxr> ,-)
00:08 < morfoh> rxr: update script works good :)
00:10 < rxr> yep - though I think most games have been up-to-date before ...
00:10 < rxr> keinek: maybe go and add some new ones ,-)
00:11 < keinek> ok
00:11 < keinek> i do.
00:12 < morfoh> rxr: I've started an embedded "ref" build on rc1 already ... I will add sth. like a embedded Firewall target soon ...
00:13 < _Lewellyn> someone pinged me?
00:14 < morfoh> Hi _Lewellyn ... who ?
00:14 < _Lewellyn> irssi indicated so, but i can't find it.
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00:34 < rxr> re
00:35 < _Lewellyn> re
00:35 < rxr> morfoh: there is this router/firewall thing - maybe unite with madtux to resurrect it ...
00:35 < rxr> hi _Lewellyn
00:35 < CIA-7> rene * r9655 /trunk/package/x11-ng/cairo/cairo.desc: * updated cairo (0.4.0 -> 0.5.0)
00:38 < rxr> anyone willing to test writing to:
00:38 < rxr> ec-outpost.dyndns.org/write
00:38 < rxr> via ftp and http ?
00:38 < _Lewellyn> yay google news. they, of course, have the block of articles about the jackson acquittal...
00:38 < rxr> some gentooer is not able to do so
00:38 < rxr> konquerer, ncftp and gftp work fine here via ftp
00:38 < _Lewellyn> it is followed by: Viagra May Treat Rare Lung Disease in Kids
00:41 < _Lewellyn> 550 Uploading not permitted here!
00:42 < _Lewellyn> that is what i get
00:42 < _Lewellyn> nm
00:42 < _Lewellyn> forgot to cd
00:42 < _Lewellyn> upload worked fine with ftp on osx
00:43 < _Ragnar_> re
00:44 < _Lewellyn> re _Ragnar_
00:44 < _Ragnar_> rxr: Creating file list and doing final adaptions ...
00:44 < _Ragnar_> Created file outside basedir: /lib/modules/2.4.21-rc1-rock/modules.dep
00:44 < _Ragnar_> Created file outside basedir: /lib/modules/2.4.21-rc1-rock/modules.generic_string
00:44 < _Ragnar_> ...
00:44 < _Ragnar_> Created file outside basedir: /lib/modules/2.4.21-rc1-rock/modules.usbmap
00:44 < _Ragnar_> base #1: /export/t2-trunk
00:44 < _Ragnar_> base #2: /export/t2-trunk/build/soekris-2.2.0-alpha-x86-embedded
00:44 < _Ragnar_> --- BUILD ERROR ---
00:45 < rxr> ouhm - yep someone else saw this lately
00:45 < rxr> _Lewellyn: oh - you have a mac ,-) thanks for the test
00:45 < rxr> _Lewellyn: any PR news from your gril ?
00:46 < _Lewellyn> she won't have free time for a few weeks :(
00:46 < _Lewellyn> i'm going to try to get her to stop in tomorrow.
00:46 < _Lewellyn> she has no time today
00:46 < _Lewellyn> and she has a mac. i just ssh over to my screen :)
00:47 < rxr> valentin: are you awake ?
00:48 < _Lewellyn> rxr: for reference, osx makes for a decent bsd box :)
00:50 < valentin> rxr: not really
00:50 < rxr> _Lewellyn: I don't really think so ...
00:51 < rxr> _Lewellyn: I'm on an iBook right now as well - but in Linux
00:51 < rxr> T2 Linxu flavour
00:51 < rxr> we even do commercial stuff for OSX - and I have to admit it is not that mature
00:51 < valentin> rxr: what is it ?
00:51 < rxr> valentin: quick reading thru an t2-live.txt ?
00:51 < _Lewellyn> well, i compiled most of the software myself, and tend to do so on fbsd as well
00:52 < _Lewellyn> i don@t notice much difference when porting software to darwin/fbsd
00:53 < rxr> _Lewellyn: I meant the UI for day by day power-use ...
00:55 < _Lewellyn> oh. i use it as a unix box.
00:56 < rxr> I meant for what Apple sells those - UI experience for day for day office and graphic use ...
00:56 < _Lewellyn> i'm on my palm, sshed in right now. i rarely actually see the machine.
00:56 < rxr> well - better it is ..
00:56 < rxr> with the slow and annoying UI ...
00:56 < rxr> and these option-less power-less wanna be applications ...
00:57 < _Lewellyn> i only ever use osx when i need illustrator nowadays
00:57 < _Lewellyn> and i have always sucked with illo
00:58 < _Lewellyn> all the way back to ver 5
00:59 < _Lewellyn> anyway, back to work with me; lunch is over :(
00:59 < valentin> rxr: where is it ?
00:59 < rxr> well - or just go sleeping
01:00 < rxr> it is a low end article anyway ..
01:00 < rxr> I just send it in ...
01:00 < rxr> save your time for more precious stuff
01:00 < rxr> valentin: is kersting better today ?
01:01 < valentin> yes, a bit
01:01 < valentin> but she wants me to bring her to bed now
01:01 < rxr> yeah - then go with her - I just send the article in ...
01:03 < valentin> ok, cu
01:03 < rxr> cu
01:29 < rxr> ethirc.pl <- hehe
01:34 < _Lewellyn> nethirc, you mean? :)
01:34 < _Lewellyn> it's a great client
01:34 < _Lewellyn> i'd like to make a package for it at some point :)
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01:52 < _Lewellyn> hoi ro :)
01:54 < romonster> hoi
02:06 < rxr> hi romonster
02:07 < romonster> hi
02:09 < _Lewellyn> ro's an artsy sort :)
02:10 < romonster> that depends what you mean by artsy :P
02:11 * rxr in bed - n8 all
02:13 < _Lewellyn> sleep well :)
02:13 < _Lewellyn> romonster: not a face painting mime :)
02:13 < _Lewellyn> romonster: good timing; joining as the channel finishes rolling up for the night ;)
02:14 < romonster> i do my best
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02:16 < Postal> EXAMS ARE OVER
02:16 < Postal> ;-)
02:17 < _Lewellyn> yay! :)
02:17 < _Lewellyn> did you pass? :)
02:17 < Postal> of course
02:17 < Postal> does the new livecd support 64bit yet?
02:17 < _Lewellyn> not afaik
02:18 < _Lewellyn> wait, support, or is 64-bit?
02:18 < _Lewellyn> it boots fine on a em64t
02:18 < Postal> as in can i build a native 64 bit target
02:18 < _Lewellyn> VERY snappy user experience.
02:18 < _Lewellyn> oh. dunno. haven't tried :)
02:18 < Postal> we are going to find out
02:19 < _Lewellyn> well, if it works, i'll want to rsync a copy :)
02:19 < Postal> any serious errors been reported on amd64 in recent that would indicate a bad time for a base build?
02:20 < _Lewellyn> i've been hearing little of the way of problems at all; then again i'm not looking for them ;)
02:20 < Postal> _Lewellyn: is rene around?
02:20 < _Lewellyn> just went to bed
02:21 < Postal> aww thats to bad how bout mnemoc
02:21 < Postal> yeay 2 min away from live cd time
02:21 < _Lewellyn> idle for hours
02:22 < _Lewellyn> that was a quick build...
02:22 < Postal> no i am dl the live cd
02:22 < _Lewellyn> oh :)
02:22 < Postal> hmm im in freebsd i wonder what the best way to burn is
02:23 < _Lewellyn> cdrecord :)
02:23 < _Lewellyn> cdrtools
02:23 < _Lewellyn> whatever
02:23 < Postal> how to you use cdrecord from command line again
02:24 < Postal> i almost never use it,,
02:24 < _Lewellyn> dunno. i rarely burn discs at all
02:24 < Postal> lol me also
02:25 < Postal> ill figure it out\
02:25 < _Lewellyn> there's bound to be a HOWTO :)
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02:31 < _Lewellyn> hoi sparc-kly
02:45 < sparc-kly> hi all
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03:27 < Postal> the live cd is giving me problems
03:27 < Postal> im going to try and burn it again
03:28 < Postal> it does not boot the kernel, it just goes to a grub command prompt, but when i gave it the kernel location it came back with disk read error
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03:51 < _Lewellyn> Postal: you are using sata, right?
03:51 < _Lewellyn> intel piix?
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04:00 < mnemoc> rehi
04:03 < _Lewellyn> rehi mnemoc
04:04 < mnemoc> did you run livecd on that machine?
04:15 < _Lewellyn> on mine? yes.
04:15 < _Lewellyn> i sent rene the issues. he seemed aware of most already.
04:16 < _Lewellyn> i still wish i could resolve the sata issue satisfactorily
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05:26 < sepp_> moin
05:28 < _Lewellyn> how is?
05:29 < sepp_> tired
05:29 < sepp_> 5:30 here ...
05:29 < _Lewellyn> :(
05:29 < _Lewellyn> 2030 here
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09:09 < rxr> re
09:49 < rxr> Gr? 1/4 nder des Linux-Projekts Gentoo wechselt zu Microsoft Daniel Robbins, der Gr? 1/4 nder und fr? 1/4 here "Chef-Architekt" des Linux-Distributionsprojekts Gentoo, ist zu Microsoft gewechselt:
09:49 < rxr> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:49 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/60582
09:50 < rxr> Daniel Robbins accepts new position with Microsoft, finalizes transfer of Gentoo Technologies IP to the Gentoo Foundation
10:00 < rxr> http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/dvbt/
10:15 < CIA-7> rene * r9656 /trunk/package/archiver/alien/alien.desc: * updated alien (8.52 -> 8.53)
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10:24 < CIA-7> rene * r9657 /trunk/package/e17/imlib2/imlib2.desc: * updated imlib2 (1.2.0 -> 1.2.1)
10:24 < rxr> hi sparc-kly__
10:24 * rxr driving home in a few seconds ...
10:24 < valentin> gento is evil...
10:24 < valentin> moin
10:25 < rxr> crap to crap I would say ...
10:26 < rxr> ok - cu - /me of to the home ...
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10:50 < valentin> http://tagesschau.de/aktuell/meldungen/0,1185,OID4429584_TYP6_THE_NAV_REF1_BAB,00.html
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11:05 < rxr> valentin: btw did you sent the bill to the linux intern for your network article sss
11:05 < rxr> ? even
11:06 < rxr> rehi ...
11:07 < rxr> http://golem.de/0506/38616.html
11:07 < rxr> ^- Xen 3.0 upcomming features
11:18 < CIA-7> rene * r9658 /trunk/package/e17/imlib2_loaders/imlib2_loaders.desc: * updated imlib2_loaders (1.2.0 -> 1.2.1)
11:28 < valentin> sss is ?
11:29 < valentin> nope, not yet
11:29 < valentin> have to buy a bed, cu
11:30 < rxr> ...
11:30 < rxr> valentin: I would write the bill some day ...
11:30 < rxr> sss is a sz when I do not press shift quickly enough ...
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11:48 < CIA-7> rene * r9659 /trunk/package/multimedia/klear/klear.desc: * updated klear (0.1-alpha4 -> 0.1-rc2)
11:48 < CIA-7> rene * r9660 /trunk/package/base/mdadm/mdadm.desc: * updated mdadm (1.11.0 -> 1.12.0)
11:48 < rxr> http://forum.golem.de/read.php?4138,415849,415849#msg-415849#
11:56 < CIA-7> rene * r9661 /trunk/package/audio/alsa-driver/alsa-driver.desc: * updated alsa-driver (1.0.9a -> 1.0.9b)
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11:59 < rxr> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=152611&cid=12808175
12:01 < CIA-7> rene * r9662 /trunk/package/base/coreutils/coreutils.conf:
12:01 < CIA-7> * compile coreutils with a less recent default POSIX conformance level
12:01 < CIA-7> so we fix a lot of regressions (some even failed silently) due to
12:01 < CIA-7> old Makefiles and configure scripts still using tail -N; head -M
12:01 < CIA-7> and so on (and we do not want to patch them all ...)
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12:10 < rxr> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=152611&cid=12807880
12:13 < rxr> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=152611&cid=12808266
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12:15 < CIA-7> rene * r9663 /trunk/ (package/base/coreutils/coreutils.conf scripts/parse-config):
12:15 < CIA-7> * reverted r9662 - instead only set the posix conformance level inside
12:15 < CIA-7> the build, so users still get pedantic tools to create conforming
12:15 < CIA-7> scripts ,-)
12:18 < rxr> hm - I think a manual download vmware kernel postlinux kernel module build would make sense ...
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12:45 < CIA-7> rene * r9664 /trunk/architecture/sparc64/parse-config:
12:45 < CIA-7> * reworked sparc64 32bit user-space code to me more functional (minimal
12:45 < CIA-7> now mostly built ...)
13:05 < jsaw> hi there
13:05 < rxr> hi jsaw
13:05 < jsaw> hi rxr
13:06 < jsaw> have you read this: gentoo-founder goes m$...?
13:11 < rxr> yeap - posted links here ..
13:12 < rxr> on slashdot someone posted he was high in debs and has failed to make money with Gentoo or so - that is also why he got disant from it since over a year ...
13:13 < rxr> according to that posted
13:13 < rxr> links is somewhere above
13:13 < jsaw> oh, so it was his full time job... that's hard of course.
13:29 < rxr> how is your new flat and your paper doing ?
13:31 < jsaw> flat is almost fine; paper, ...? have to reactivate my brain before I can answer this...
13:40 < rxr> reactivate? what did you do to deactivate it *g ?
13:40 < jsaw> labor...
13:55 < rxr> ok - 2 o'clock ...
13:56 < rxr> what is on my todays TODO aside the golem news I and sparc rinkgin ... ;-)
13:56 -!- morfoh [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2
13:56 < rxr> hey ho morfoh
13:56 < morfoh> hey rxr :)
13:56 < rxr> s/rinkgin/tinkering/ ,-)
13:56 < rxr> first freshing tea ,-)
13:58 < morfoh> I've found an interesting thing -> http://maxrelax.de/~tknop/diet-router.html
13:58 < morfoh> rxr: including a dietlibc patch for iptables
14:00 < morfoh> but the dietlibc related gcc patches within T2 don't apply anymore
14:00 * morfoh away for some minutes
14:01 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0506/38626.html
14:06 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.213.88.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
14:06 < sepp> hi
14:06 < valentin> hi all
14:07 < sepp> hi valentin
14:08 < rxr> hi valentin
14:08 < CIA-7> rene * r9665 /trunk/architecture/sparc64/parse-config:
14:08 < CIA-7> * removed tiny thinko in sparc64/parse-config to not build gcc
14:08 < CIA-7> as pure 32bit applications, but as 64bit compiler and let the
14:08 < CIA-7> multilib build support build a 32 and 64 bit version of each library
14:08 < rxr> hi sepp
14:08 < valentin> hi sepp, rxr
14:08 < sepp> hi rxr
14:13 < rxr> valentin: I call you shortly ?
14:13 < valentin> ok
14:14 < morfoh> hi valentin + sepp :)
14:15 < valentin> hi morpho
14:15 < sepp> hello morfoh
14:15 < sepp> are you a little blue butterfly?
14:18 < sepp> http://www.mexicodesconocido.com.mx/espanol/naturaleza/fauna/mariposa_morfo_vuelo_azul_en_el_tropico_mexicano_1.jpg
14:22 < morfoh> sepp: oh! this butterfly is called morfoh ?
14:23 < sepp> yes
14:23 < sepp> or morpho
14:24 < sepp> pkg_foo_pre.conf runs after foo is extracted already?
14:37 < rxr> oehm?
14:37 < rxr> extracted?
14:38 < rxr> no - it should run when the config is parsed
14:38 < rxr> thus before the build_this_packag function extracts it later on
14:38 < sepp> ahh thanks
14:40 < morfoh> rxr: do we have some naming conventions regarding foo while running Config -cfg foo for officially distributed desktop iso's ?
14:41 < rxr> well - only the ISO name
14:41 < rxr> it should be t2-$target-$ver
14:41 < rxr> err
14:41 < rxr> it should be t2-$target-$ver-$arch-$opt
14:42 < rxr> e.g. t2-desktop-2.1.0-beta3-pentium-mmx
14:45 < morfoh> rxr: but atm we've t2-$ver-$arch-$opt-$target
14:46 < morfoh> at least in in the build dir
14:46 < rxr> the build dir does not matter at all for me
14:50 < rxr> ouhm - larget than 19" TFT are still a bit expensive ...
14:54 < morfoh> rxr: what do I have to rebuild if I enable gcj support afterwards on a target ?
14:55 < rxr> I would only rebuild gcc ...
14:55 < morfoh> I think we've to enable it in config.in on the desktop target ... because the bdb*-java things still fail
14:55 < rxr> yeah ...
14:56 < morfoh> I test it right now ... if it will solve the problem
14:56 < rxr> that or add jikes if I followed mnemoc storries well enough
14:56 < morfoh> hmmm ... I just set SDECFG_PKG_GCC_JAVA=1 atm
14:59 < rxr> hmmm - to they place gold in the 21" LCDs ?
14:59 < rxr> why are they so damn expensive - still ... ?
15:00 < morfoh> rxr: what display type/manufacturer do you prefer ?
15:02 < rxr> no idea yet ...
15:02 < rxr> Eizo or IBM or so ?
15:03 < sepp> hmm you better buy 2 19" tft's
15:03 < rxr> sepp: yeah - that is what the price indicates ...
15:04 < morfoh> rxr: can we take a look over the not applying dietlibc patches for gcc today ... ?
15:05 < sepp> is it ok if i make a xorg option for the 2d unichrome driver?
15:06 < sepp> menu ...
15:06 < rxr> what kind of option ?
15:06 < rxr> morfoh: for gcc?
15:06 < sepp> a config.in thing to build xorg but use the other unichrome driver
15:07 < sepp> i tested 2 notebooks with this chip xorg does not work on them :(
15:07 < rxr> you mean the sourceforge hosted via code drop in addition to the in X via driver ?
15:07 < sepp> as exchange
15:07 < sepp> yes
15:08 < rxr> well - I think most of the code is already in X.org CVS, is it ?
15:08 < sepp> yes
15:08 < sepp> they sync from time to time
15:08 < rxr> it would be ok with me to add a "big" x.org via CVS patch
15:09 < rxr> I already have this for radeon (for full functionality on PowerPC)
15:09 < morfoh> rxr: yes ... there are some gcc patches for dietlibc in our repo ... but they don't apply atm. while trying to build an embedded dietlibc target
15:09 < rxr> hm
15:09 < rxr> morfoh: ok - I review (and urgently need to setup an own set of regression trackers for this)
15:11 < sepp> rxr: xorg only or unichrome.sf.net, they fixed some more things that are not in the xorg cvs
15:11 < morfoh> rxr: indeed that would be quite helpful ;)
15:11 < morfoh> rxr: have you seen my link for that diet-router thing above ?
15:11 < morfoh> rxr: they have included an iptables patch for dietlibc
15:12 < rxr> sepp: okok - then use the sf.net code ,-)
15:12 < rxr> morfoh: yep - saw it
15:12 * morfoh shortly away
15:13 < morfoh> rxr: ok
15:17 < sepp> i have to leave no - cu
15:18 < rxr> cu sepp
15:44 < rxr> hint for wine use:
15:44 < rxr> do not mess with your .wine
15:44 < rxr> just run wineprefixcreate for the first run and it will do most of the work itself ...
16:01 < mnemoc> moin
16:02 < mnemoc> Error logs from desktop-2.1.0-rc1-x86-pentium4-desktop:
16:02 < mnemoc> [5] mail/spamassassin
16:02 < mnemoc> 669 builds total, 444 completed fine, 1 with errors.
16:02 < mnemoc> hi rxr, morfoh
16:02 < mnemoc> morfoh: how are your desktops going?
16:03 < morfoh> oh hi mnemoc :)
16:03 < mnemoc> hi :)
16:03 < morfoh> yes ... the bdb*-java stuff still failed
16:03 < morfoh> because it complained about gcj support
16:04 < morfoh> I enabled SDECFG_PKG_GCC_JAVA=1 localy but it didn't fixt it so far
16:04 < morfoh> checking if gcj -C works... yes
16:04 < morfoh> checking for jar... jar
16:04 < morfoh> checking for java... no
16:04 < morfoh> checking for kaffe... no
16:04 < morfoh> configure: error: no acceptable Java virtual machine found in $PATH
16:04 < morfoh> Due to previous errors, no 5-bdb-java.log file!
16:05 < mnemoc> uhm
16:05 < mnemoc> no java @ desktop
16:05 < mnemoc> :)
16:05 < morfoh> mnemoc: yep
16:05 < mnemoc> i think kaffe is better than gcj
16:05 < morfoh> what package(s) should be included
16:05 < mnemoc> just kaffe i guess
16:05 < morfoh> ok ... let's see
16:08 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, did you noticed the earthquake in chile yesterday ?
16:08 < mnemoc> on the north, yes
16:10 < valentin> moin mnemoc
16:11 < rxr> hi mnemoc
16:11 < mnemoc> moin valentin, rxr
16:12 < morfoh> mnemoc: kaffe needs jikes ?
16:13 < mnemoc> morfoh: recommended, but it has it's own javac
16:13 < morfoh> checking for library containing sem_init... none required
16:13 < morfoh> checking for jikes... no
16:13 < morfoh> checking whether to use jikes... configure: error: No jikes compiler found. It is required to build Kaffe's class library. Recommended is jikes version 1.21 or higher.
16:13 < mnemoc> :p
16:14 < morfoh> :P
16:14 < mnemoc> it is required now :)
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16:17 < Postal> Hey all
16:17 < morfoh> Hi Postal
16:17 < Postal> rene you around?
16:17 < Postal> hi morfoh
16:17 < mnemoc> hi Postal
16:18 < Postal> my exams are finally over
16:18 < Postal> does the new livecd support a native build of the x86_64 target?
16:19 < mnemoc> .oO
16:19 < rxr> Postal: well - I still have not all the code used to build the live cd target in the live cd target ...
16:19 < rxr> but in theory our x86_64 support should be fully mature now
16:19 < Postal> rxr: will i have to cross compile first?
16:20 < rxr> best give it a try on a system build
16:20 < rxr> "in theory" not ...
16:20 < rxr> best stress the build system to uncover bugs ,-)
16:20 < Postal> rxr: you mean i should use a host system that is not the live cd to build t2 or i should try and use the live cd to build t2?
16:20 < rxr> the only thing in the biarch support that needs fixing is to get libstdc++ build with multiarch support
16:20 < rxr> however this is only important for sparc64 - and not for x86-64 ...
16:21 < rxr> Postal: use your current system to build t2 ,-)
16:21 < valentin> rxr: what do you guess, how long will kde* build on my iBook ?
16:21 < rxr> valentin: *long*
16:21 < rxr> the basiscs over a day I think
16:21 < sparc-kly__> 25 hrs
16:21 < Postal> rxr: i am using fedora core 4 and it uses gcc 4.0 is that ok?
16:21 < rxr> ouhm
16:21 < valentin> rxr, sparc-kly__ : i'll take the bets :)
16:22 < rxr> wel - tough 4.0 is not really stabel - try it
16:22 < rxr> red hat is know to ship cr*p ...
16:22 < Postal> rxr: ok, i actually have to install the Fedora Core the cds are sitting on my desk so ill get round to it in a bit
16:22 < rxr> I would not use gcc-4.x as system compiler until 4.0.1 - maybe even later ...
16:23 < Postal> rxr: well 4.0 will only be used to build t2's build toolchain, and then your version of gcc will be used for the actual build correct?
16:23 < morfoh> mnemoc: so far it looks good after adding jikes+kaffe to the desktop target ;)
16:24 < Postal> i have to go and take my bro to a doctors apointment ill be back in 2 hours then ill svn up and start the build
16:24 -!- Postal is now known as Postal|Out
16:24 < mnemoc> morfoh: i'll commit that to the target then
16:25 < rxr> valentin: remove the kdelibs or kdebase hal patch before you emerge
16:25 < rxr> it does not apply and I have not yet review if it is fully merged into the 3.4.1 release ...
16:29 < valentin> rxr, ok - thx
16:31 < valentin> what was the syntax again to merge a whole repository ?
16:32 < rxr> Emerge -repository kde
16:34 < rxr> hm - the Linux INTERN CD with suse and knoppix does not appear to like to boot on my Pentium MMX 233
16:34 < rxr> both the class T2 install as well as the Live boots on it ...
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16:37 < CIA-7> amery * r9666 /tags/2.1.0-rc1/target/desktop/config.in: * added kaffe and jikes to desktop target, needed by bdb*-java and audacity
16:37 < rxr> mnemoc: do you also add it in branches/2.1 and trunk ?
16:37 < mnemoc> rxr: sure
16:38 < mnemoc> rxr: i have 323 commits 'unread' to be merged or tested and merged.
16:38 < mnemoc> rxr: did you grab my minimal iso from my rsync:// ?
16:39 < rxr> maybe I promose to rm -rf the misc/*x* fonts?
16:39 < rxr> they only seem to cause problems ...
16:39 < rxr> mnemoc: nope
16:39 < rxr> is it final? then I grab it ...
16:40 < mnemoc> rxr: minimal, yes. it is
16:40 < rxr> I rm -rf all the rock releases on the server - no space left ...
16:40 < CIA-7> chris * r9667 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in: * added jikes, kaffe to the desktop target, to fix bdb-java, bdb33-java and audacity builds
16:40 < mnemoc> rxr: desktop is the delayed
16:41 < rxr> mnemoc: merging the _POSIX* thing I did this morning should be pretty safe and fix issues in packages ...
16:41 < mnemoc> rxr: runtime?
16:41 < rxr> yes - one env var in the build env
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16:42 < mnemoc> rxr: what packages should i rebuild after the merge?
16:42 < rxr> none
16:43 < rxr> for the release
16:43 < rxr> it fixes stuff that silently failed to detect or incompletely build
16:43 < rxr> due to tali -N and friends not supoprted
16:43 < rxr> I noticed in a multilib sparc64 build issue in gcc itself ...
16:43 < mnemoc> oh
16:43 < mnemoc> ok
16:43 < rxr> but those are all minor stuff
16:44 < rxr> we had this for over a year and so far no issue that we noticed
16:44 < mnemoc> rc2 then?
16:44 < rxr> but I think it is a nice to have - yes -rc2 is enough
16:44 < rxr> the env relaxes handling of tail and friends to allow -N syntax in the build
16:44 < rxr> so we do not have to patch the hundred and more ramining locatoins where it is used
16:44 < morfoh> rxr: hmmm ... tried to create a new dietlibc patches for gcc ... but it don't work :/
16:44 < rxr> I first patched coreutils - but noticed it is a bad idea to allow T2 users to use the obsolete syntax
16:45 < rxr> just allowing it in the build should eb well enough
16:45 < mnemoc> rxr: for rc2, should i try a reference with merged gcc, glibc and dietlibc?
16:45 < rxr> mnemoc: do not merge dietlibc
16:45 < mnemoc> ok
16:45 < mnemoc> glibc?
16:45 < rxr> the new dietlibc does not build on x86-64 due to ICE in gcc ...
16:45 < rxr> yes - glibc is fine
16:46 * netrunner now measuring the quality of software here by counting question marks in comments.
16:46 < netrunner> *grusel* IF (0=1) THEN DO /*???CHANGE TO 0=1 */
16:47 < mnemoc> /*????*/ is worse than /*???*/ on QA? pff
16:48 < rxr> netrunner: then the assembler fragments I posted over the weekend form a commrcial windows driver are for you ... ,-)
16:51 < rxr> netrunner: guess how funny ; ???? comments are in assembly files ..
16:51 < rxr> (and why would not trust any vendor provided binary only dirver in any OS - be it Windows or Linux ...)
16:52 < rxr> and why Windows is not to be trusted at all due to the base uppon such questionable binary junk
16:52 < netrunner> rxr: well, in this case I would love not to have the source because then I would just open a ticket.#
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16:58 < Postal|Out> rene you*-+around?
16:58 < rxr> yep
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17:24 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Thu Jun 9 04:36:32 2005]
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17:41 < CIA-7> chris * r9668 /trunk/package/develop/trac/trac.desc: * updated trac (0.8 -> 0.8.2)
17:45 -!- sparc-kly__ is now known as sparc-kly
17:54 < CIA-7> amery * r9669 /branches/2.1/target/desktop/config.in: * merged 9666 from 2.1.0-rc1: added kaffe and jikes to desktop target, needed by bdb*-java and audacity
18:10 < morfoh> rxr_: do you have time to take a short look at the gcc patches for dietlibc ? Our patches are made for 3.2.3
18:11 < rxr_> ...
18:11 < rxr_> I take the look now
18:11 < rxr_> morfoh: how to reproduce? normal embedded+dietlibc ?
18:12 < valentin> !> pkgprefix: arts record is old, please rebuild
18:12 < valentin> grummel...
18:13 < mnemoc> :)
18:13 < morfoh> rxr_: yes ... I choosed embedded + dietlibc
18:13 < mnemoc> rxr_: what do you think about adding Config -oldconfig to Emerge, and _old_ emerge X packages?
18:14 < rxr_> you mean emerge anything installed but updated ?
18:14 < valentin> and arts failed because of !> pkgprefix: openldap record is old, please rebuild
18:15 < mnemoc> rxr_: no, update config/$cfg/ before emerging
18:15 < rxr_> vi /var/adm/package/openldap
18:15 < rxr_> insert:
18:15 < rxr_> Prefix: usr
18:15 < rxr_> I think
18:15 < mnemoc> :)
18:18 < mnemoc> i have forgotten how beatyful misc/archive/compare.sh was :)
18:22 < sparc-kly> sun release opensolaris code today . http://opensolaris.org
18:22 < mnemoc> oh
18:22 < mnemoc> how 'open'?
18:24 < rxr_> sun crap is not open - and when you look at it you have a problem ocntributing to really open projects ...
18:24 < rxr_> mnemoc: open as in trap people into its license - see various discussions about it
18:27 < valentin> rxr: yes, you said so before (but i forgot to check that before building)
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18:58 * rxr_ shortly off
18:58 < valentin> quite heavy rain
18:59 < mnemoc> also here
18:59 < mnemoc> and 6 days of heavy rain are announced :(
19:00 < morfoh> valentin: really ? then I've to move ... because it's not raining here in P
19:00 * valentin building an ark
19:01 < valentin> http://www.wetteronline.de/daten/radar/dber/2005/06/141645.gif?24a814fce2d563e086aa9707af03e620&LANG=de
19:02 * morfoh moving home now ... cu later
19:02 < valentin> cu
19:03 < morfoh> cu all
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19:32 * rxr_ booting into the latest and greated linux 2.6.11 (.12-dist) kernel ...
19:33 < mnemoc> there is a trouble on lilo generation due to -dist :\
19:33 < mnemoc> label names are to long
19:33 < rxr_> ouhm
19:36 < mnemoc> OT: will you merge sparc64 stuff to 2.1 or should i hunt and discover the involved revisions?
19:37 < rxr_> I'll do when they are ready - you can focus on the important stuff ...
19:37 < mnemoc> :)
19:46 < CIA-7> amery * r9670 /branches/2.1/misc/pkgsel/minimal-desktop.in: * merged 9649 from 2.1.0-rc1: changed minimal-desktop.in, apr.* instead of apache; perl-xml-parser is needed for gimp; and sjog removed
19:50 < CIA-7> amery * r9671 /trunk/misc/pkgsel/minimal-desktop.in: * merged 9649 from 2.1.0-rc1: changed minimal-desktop.in, apr.* instead of apache; perl-xml-parser is needed for gimp; and sjog removed
19:51 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
19:51 < minto> Hi all
19:51 < mnemoc> hi minto
19:52 < minto> hi mnemoc, I decided to learn your language.
19:53 < minto> Just spend 3 weeks in Spain withou speaking any word spanish.
19:54 < mnemoc> :)
19:54 < mnemoc> spanish is very easy to learn
19:54 < mnemoc> at least that's what people say :p
19:55 < minto> I recognized lots of english and french words.
19:55 < minto> I must be easy if it is languange number 1 in the world.
20:03 < rxr_> ouhm ...
20:03 -!- You're now known as rxr
20:04 < _Ragnar_> wb:)
20:09 < rxr> yeah -hi
20:09 < rxr> kernel update did not went all that smooth
20:10 < mnemoc> hi _Ragnar_
20:10 < mnemoc> rxr: what happened?
20:16 < CIA-7> rene * r9672 /trunk/architecture/x86/ (kernel-disable.lst kernel.conf.sh):
20:16 < CIA-7> * marked both CONFIG_FB_RIVA and CONFIG_FB_RADEON kernel-disable
20:16 < CIA-7> too broken to be true
20:16 < rxr> ^- this is the first thing that continously get's on my nerv ...
20:17 < rxr> reboot - black screen when hotplug++ loads this damn crappy radeon module ...
20:22 < rxr> oh - I think I caused the 2nd problem myself ...
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20:28 < CIA-7> rene * r9673 /trunk/architecture/share/kernel-block.conf.m4:
20:28 < CIA-7> * fixed the Linux MD supoprt to built - bug introduced in r8499
20:28 < CIA-7> (though the implementations are modular the config option must be
20:28 < CIA-7> =Y to enable the subsystem - sigh)
20:28 < rxr> so - let's see if I can use the resulting kernel in 30 minutes or so ...
20:29 < rxr> though the sound module behaved strange ...
20:29 < rxr> snd_via* s.th. complained about missing symbol - but 2.6.11.7 (my current kernel) worked fine ... and I doubt the soundf bits got touched since then ...)=
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20:32 < rxr> OpenSolaris Code Released ... Some other highlights include the GRUB bootloader, ...
20:33 < rxr> ^- ?!?!?!? So OpenSlowlaris gave us GRUB or what ?
20:33 < rxr> SMF (Service Management Facility) which replaces init.d scripts, it starts up processes in parallel for faster boots
20:33 < rxr> ^- yeah we need to convert to s.th. like that by default, too
20:34 < rxr> "It seems that Apple has chosen to use the Trusted Platform Module chip to ensure that Mac OS X can only run on Apple Hardware."
20:37 < morfoh> re hi
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20:41 < morfoh> rxr: my brother forcasted a dark furture for linux regarding the cpu change of apple yesterday in phone talk... I just could laugh about it :)
20:45 < morfoh> rxr: btw, did you were able to get a look on that dietlibc/gcc issue ?
20:52 < rxr> morfoh: I'll "today" - right now I want to get an updated kernel booted ...
20:52 < rxr> :-(((
20:52 < rxr> yeah - the Apple CPU switch will not affect Linux at all
20:52 < morfoh> rxr: ok
20:53 < rxr> I predict if it affects it only positively - due to the people used to switch and want to use s.th. more powerful
20:53 < rxr> Apple is doing a lot of nonsense with their OS and most Apps suck ...
20:53 * rxr booting again - cu
20:53 < morfoh> cu
20:54 < rxr> oh - and when people noticed being locked to one big monopolist - people will not fall into the same trap again when Apple starts to gain marked share ..
21:07 < mnemoc> svn: REPORT of '/t2/!svn/bc/9669': timed out waiting for server (http://svn.exactcode.de) <--- fifth time :\
21:07 < mnemoc> six
21:10 < mnemoc> aaarg...
21:10 < mnemoc> i just want to see the history of gcc!! is it that hard?!
21:10 < rxr> hm
21:10 < rxr> poor mnemoc
21:10 < mnemoc> my link sucks :)
21:11 < rxr> traffic shape all power to mnemoc ,-)
21:11 < mnemoc> :)
21:11 < morfoh> rxr: I'll shutdomy link imediately
21:11 < morfoh> shutdown
21:23 < mnemoc> rxr: is r8811 problem solved?
21:35 < rxr> 8811 as it if valid
21:35 < mnemoc> what about zlib problem?
21:36 < rxr> though I do not off hand if libffi was hacked later on to build even with gcj disabled ..
21:36 < rxr> mnemoc: that is not a problem per se
21:36 < rxr> IIRC the only change minto wanted to do is to get libffi I think the others are just comemnts
21:36 < rxr> we do not want zlib or so in a gcc build anyway ...
21:36 < rxr> the only really intesting part was libffi
21:38 < mnemoc> let see :)
22:23 < rxr> oum - I wiped ccache - and the kernel is still building ...
22:23 < rxr> over an hour on the 2500+ Athlon XP ....
22:23 < rxr> since 21:11
22:23 < rxr> and it is 22:23 now ..
22:23 < rxr> ah - now it finihsed ,-)
22:25 < mnemoc> linux26 takes 1:20h cache-less and 25m cached here :)
22:25 < rxr> 5355 compiler invocations during the linux build ...
22:25 < rxr> 1:12 chacheless here it seems ...
22:25 < rxr> our new rock-less cache implementation indeed rocks majorly ,-)
22:26 < rxr> but I need to add the optimization level to the ccache dir ..
22:26 < rxr> and even the compiler version ...
22:26 < rxr> so /me reboot ...
22:28 < rxr> hm - same via alsa sound module symbol missing with clean rebuild without cache
22:28 < mnemoc> yes, using per-build cache didn't improve linux26 build time
22:28 < rxr> that at least increased my belive in the mature of ccache ...
22:32 < valentin> re
22:32 < valentin> damn, how long do kdelibs build...
22:32 < rxr> long
22:33 < rxr> we need to create a VPN and cluster all the PowerPCs we have ...
22:33 < mnemoc> kde* takes loooooong
22:33 < rxr> without --enable-final and then with gcc-4.0 it will be much faster
22:33 < mnemoc> rxr: how advanced is desktop-2.1.0-rc1-ppc build?
22:33 < rxr> tough --enable-final often created better optmized binaries ...
22:33 * rxr hides ...
22:34 < mnemoc> zero?
22:34 < rxr> mnemoc: we release without it as usual and I provide the ISOs when finished
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22:34 < rxr> mnemoc: the rs6k server is slooooooooooow and I soon need to free it's diskspace and and and ...
22:34 < mnemoc> did you grab my minimal iso?
22:34 < rxr> I asked for report the url ... if you had I would have start the download ,-)
22:35 < valentin> Protocol not supported
22:35 < valentin> http
22:35 < rxr> ?
22:35 < valentin> ^-- konqueror
22:35 < mnemoc> neon?
22:36 < sepp> hello
22:36 < rxr> ouh oh
22:36 < rxr> hello sepp
22:36 < sepp> hello rxr
22:37 < sepp> i am rebuilding xorg with uni...
22:38 < sepp> lets see how long it takes on the laptop :)
22:39 < mnemoc> sepp: less than ooo :)
22:40 < sepp> hehe, btw hi mnemoc
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22:41 < rxr> valentin: killall kdeinit and co - if s.th. was running from befor the build they will no longer work due to missing - old - libs ...
22:41 < rxr> damn raid crap
22:41 < rxr> even mdadm gets on my nerve
22:42 < rxr> people need to learn to write intuitive software ...
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22:59 < valentin> we have to get up in the morning. until then.
23:00 < rxr> cu
23:01 < rxr> ouhm - damn soft raid crap ...
23:01 < rxr> or how to waste much time of life
23:03 < rxr> ah - damn
23:03 < sepp> what should "this pkg contains additional kernel mods build with any kernel" mean?
23:04 < rxr> sepp: it is an message to the average joe users that kernel modules are not build with normal packages but with any kernel and that this package build includes kernel modules not build right now - but with any kernel build as postlinux 3rd party kernel build
23:04 < sepp> ahh uhm i thought this but the massage is really strange
23:04 < rxr> sepp: patches for more verboseness are welcome ,-)
23:05 < rxr> so there is my soft raid /home again ...
23:05 * rxr kicks mdadm devels ...
23:06 < CIA-7> amery * r9674 /tags/2.1.0-rc1/package/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * changed last ene@exactcode.de -> rene@t2-project.org
23:06 < rxr> ene@ ?
23:06 < mnemoc> :p
23:07 < mnemoc> incomplete select
23:07 < rxr> so - and why the h*ll do the alsa drivers in my 3 times built linux-2.6.11.12-skas3-dist not work ...
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23:07 < rxr> mnemoc: you do polishing like crazzy it seems ?
23:07 < mnemoc> did it work on older linux26 version?
23:07 < rxr> yes
23:07 < rxr> 2.6.11.7 was just fine
23:08 < rxr> and the live CD kernel (2.6.11.8 or so) works fine too
23:08 < rxr> thogh maybe it is "only" some T2 config change ?
23:08 < mnemoc> rc1 has .10 :(
23:09 < rxr> mnemoc: release it ....
23:09 < rxr> it might be even local ...
23:09 < rxr> whatever sooner or later I'll find out ...
23:09 < rxr> mnemoc: did you test that the ISO install sss
23:09 < rxr> =?
23:09 < mnemoc> tag is froken now
23:09 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. did you already repaste the rsync coordinates ?
23:09 < mnemoc> i installed minimal successfully
23:10 < mnemoc> rsync://t2.geeks.cl
23:10 < mnemoc> list is enabled ;)
23:10 < mnemoc> ok... rsync://t2.geeks.cl/t2-iso/
23:12 < rxr> btw. my main workstation with /home on a RAID-5 is as populated that a ls ~rene takes:
23:12 < rxr> real 0m3.989s
23:12 < rxr> user 0m0.006s
23:12 < rxr> sys 0m0.028s
23:12 < rxr> I guess time to clean up ...
23:13 < sepp> rxr: "this pkg depends on some 3rd party kernel mods. that wont be rebuild right now - you may have to rebuild your kernel" ??
23:13 < _Lewellyn> better hierarchy? :)
23:13 < rxr> yeha ...
23:13 < rxr> sepp: I wanted to only use one line ...
23:13 < rxr> but if you think two are necessary, ...
23:13 < rxr> hm - I wonder if the rsync port is open to the outside ...
23:14 < rxr> in this shitty uni ...
23:14 < sepp> i dont know my english is too bad
23:14 < rxr> .oO
23:15 < rxr> mnemoc: you have an ssh account on that box - at least you had in the past - could you upload?
23:15 < rxr> the uni firewall does not let go rsync go thru ...
23:15 < rxr> did I mention this uni sucks ?
23:15 < rxr> mnemoc: ack - your account is still there ...
23:16 < rxr> or I could grab via http or ftp ... :-(
23:16 < rxr> or tunnel thru ssh via whatever box ...
23:16 < rxr> or hack the Checkpoint(?) firewall in between ...
23:16 < mnemoc> rxr: uhm?
23:16 < rxr> yeah?
23:18 < rxr> _Lewellyn: wasn't hierarchy for people without a recent desktop serch?
23:19 < rxr> the finder^folder is dead - long live spotfind
23:20 < rxr> oehm
23:20 < rxr> oehm
23:20 < rxr> gruebel
23:20 < rxr> modprobe snd
23:20 < rxr> Jun 14 23:19:27 haudraufinix kernel: snd: Unknown parameter `device_mode'
23:20 < rxr> what the heck ?
23:21 < rxr> modprobe.conf:options snd device_mode=0666
23:21 < rxr> ouhm - is it my fault ?
23:21 < rxr> # --- BEGIN: Generated by ALSACONF, do not edit. ---
23:21 < rxr> # --- ALSACONF verion 1.0.7rc2 ---
23:21 < rxr> options snd device_mode=0666
23:21 < rxr> haha - it is not
23:21 < rxr> never ever do I start crap other paste in this channel ...
23:22 < rxr> ok - so - finally - all fixed up and it was not the kernels fault ,-)
23:22 < rxr> so mnemoc you can relax - no sound regression in whatever 2.6.11 kernel ,-)
23:22 < mnemoc> :)
23:22 * rxr rebooting once more to check if _FINALLY_ all is working ...
23:23 < mnemoc> btw, http://t2.geeks.cl/iso/ points to the same place that rsync
23:23 < rxr> mnemoc: and you can tell me what you propose to sync ISOs thru the uni firewall ...
23:25 < rxr> ok - all comming up fine ...
23:26 < mnemoc> i don't follow you....
23:26 < _Lewellyn> rxr: spotlight is slow. :(
23:26 < rxr> _Lewellyn: apple tells me it is the future ...
23:26 < _Lewellyn> and so is cisc, apparently ;)
23:28 < mnemoc> i have to go
23:28 < mnemoc> back in 40 minutes
23:28 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - cu then
23:28 < rxr> curl -O running
23:28 < rxr> 28.81K/s ETA 1:23:03
23:29 < rxr> vmnet 27972 0
23:29 < rxr> vmmon 105036 0
23:29 < rxr> ok - finally ...
23:30 < rxr> the reason I rebuild the kernel ...
23:30 < CIA-7> amery * r9675 /branches/2.1/package/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * merged 9674 from 2.1.0-rc1: changed last rene@exactcode.de -> rene@t2-project.org
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23:36 < rxr> oh my god - why are the vmware installer and init script such monsters ...
23:39 < rxr> # rm /etc/vmware/not_configured
23:39 < rxr> rm: remove regular empty file `/etc/vmware/not_configured'? y
23:50 < _Lewellyn> heh
23:50 < _Lewellyn> vmware is a pos :)
23:51 < rxr> pos ?
23:51 < _Lewellyn> piece of s***
23:51 < rxr> ack
23:51 < rxr> _Lewellyn: ah - maybe you can answer a question before I continue tinkering
23:51 < _Lewellyn> in my complimentary 30-day support period, i was only able to open two issues.
23:51 < rxr> _Lewellyn: how good is vmware performance ?
23:51 < _Lewellyn> mainly because it took 30 days to resolve those
23:51 < _Lewellyn> and i still have a boatload more
23:51 < _Lewellyn> it's pretty good, considering what it does
23:52 < rxr> as in % of host performance ?
23:52 < _Lewellyn> hard to say, since i'm not able to accurately judge. i've never run windows on here ;)
23:53 < _Lewellyn> this was a "real" unix box until vmware (and therefore linux) was installed on it.
23:53 < _Lewellyn> however, windows xp runs quite functionally on here.
23:53 < _Lewellyn> dual p3 with 1gb ram.
23:53 < rxr> ok - I'll continue try ...
23:53 < _Lewellyn> what kind of issues are you having?
23:54 < _Lewellyn> (are you trying to package it?)
23:54 < rxr> I only do this pain to get naturally speaking running and use it in vmware until I finally get it to work with wine ...
23:54 < rxr> _Lewellyn: no I jsut try to get it runnin
23:54 < rxr> g
23:54 < rxr> I build the kernel modules manually
23:54 < _Lewellyn> ok. why did you remove not_configured?
23:54 < rxr> but had to hack the install perl beast to not try to do itself ...
23:54 < _Lewellyn> and i always let it build the modules
23:54 < rxr> because every time I rc vmware start it adds the file ..
23:55 < rxr> # /etc/rc.d/init.d/vmware start
23:55 < rxr> Starting VMware services: Virtual machine monitor failed Virtual ethernet failed Bridged networking on /dev/vmnet0 failed Host-only networking on /dev/vmnet1 (background) done Host-only networking on /dev/vmnet8 (background) done
23:55 < rxr> NA serviceo on /dev/vmnet8 failed
23:55 < _Lewellyn> probably because it's not fully configured.
23:55 < _Lewellyn> and this looks like vmware 5
23:55 < rxr> btw at what point does it want the license key ?
23:55 < _Lewellyn> after you configure it and then go to run it
23:55 < rxr> yes - latest demo from their size
23:55 < rxr> site ven
23:55 < _Lewellyn> (hint, do not run vmware as root)
23:56 < rxr> I configured it aside that I hacked the kernel module build away ..
23:56 < _Lewellyn> ah. i've not used vmware 5 yet. a couple of guys in the office are using it now.
23:56 < _Lewellyn> and the modules built just fine for them on 2.6.11.x
23:56 < rxr> guess you have to pay big bucks for the commercial use ... :-(
23:56 < rxr> I normally have no kernel sources around ...
23:56 < _Lewellyn> it's the same price, regardless of the user
23:57 < _Lewellyn> ah
23:57 < rxr> but I place a copy into /usr/src to make it happy now ...
23:57 < _Lewellyn> kernel sources++
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