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08:24 < karasz> moin all
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08:57 < morfoh> moin
08:59 < Veki> moin
08:59 < Veki> I will be back later
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09:04 < morfoh> hi Veki :)
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09:17 < mnemoc> wb jsaw
09:17 < mnemoc> hi morfoh, Veki
09:19 < morfoh> moin mnemoc
09:19 < jsaw> hi guys
09:19 < morfoh> hi jsaw :)
09:19 < morfoh> jsaw: how are you ?
09:20 < jsaw> a bit easter hang over still....
09:21 < jsaw> mnemoc: concerning conveyor...
09:21 < jsaw> mnemoc: check how --enable-threads=posix is handled.
09:21 < mnemoc> thanks for the hint
09:21 < jsaw> mnemoc: I can't see "thread_join"
09:21 < jsaw> mnemoc: but I see "pthread_join"
09:22 < jsaw> I assume they used some #define magic
09:23 < jsaw> so there should be some #define thread_join pthread_join or so...? somewhere
09:24 < jsaw> or possibly, glibc pthread headers define some macro that is expected for thos #define's ..?
09:25 < mnemoc> i'll look
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09:26 < jsaw> is the firefox problem solved now?
09:26 < mnemoc> hacked
09:26 < mnemoc> the chrome/*.jar are not catched by fl_wrapper
09:27 < jsaw> I heared that and wondered...
09:27 < jsaw> seems like java stuff is able to bypass fl_wrapper?
09:29 < mnemoc> not just them
09:29 < jsaw> morfoh: have you seen my email concerning the lua desc.parse function?
09:29 < mnemoc> there are many other files on the reference which were not flisted
09:29 < jsaw> mnemoc: of course, static stuff will do that, that's known. I just wonder how java is doing it... o.O
09:29 < morfoh> jsaw: uh! oh! yeah ... but sorry I didn't reverted yet
09:29 < mnemoc> diacanvas is not static... it's even python
09:30 < jsaw> no problem, just wanted to make sure you've seen it :)
09:30 < jsaw> mnemoc: oh
09:30 < morfoh> jsaw: :)
09:30 < morfoh> jsaw: I was just curious because the proposed test cmd line in the comment wan't working
09:30 < morfoh> and I wanted to reuse your lua stuff
09:31 < morfoh> wasn't
09:31 < jsaw> ic
09:31 < jsaw> a bit stuck there...
09:34 < morfoh> jsaw: btw, we should add a check for the arch before doing adjustments for x86-64 in develop/libast.conf
09:34 < jsaw> http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/04/announcing_movi.html
09:34 < jsaw> Movie Plot Thread-Contest --^
09:34 < jsaw> hehe
09:35 < jsaw> morfoh: hmmm.
09:35 < jsaw> morfoh: why ?
09:35 < morfoh> jsaw: it doesn't work on non 64 :)
09:35 < jsaw> oh
09:35 < morfoh> jsaw: I'll propose a change and you'll have the luck to test on your machine :)
09:36 < jsaw> :)
09:37 < mnemoc> maybe it doesn't work on 64 neither on the current version
09:37 < mnemoc> +,
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09:46 < karasz> re moin
09:46 < morfoh> wb tavarish karasz :)
09:47 < karasz> thx kommrad morfoh
09:57 < morfoh> jsaw: btw, how is your little "Star" doing ? :)
10:00 < karasz> brb
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10:43 < Pakmanorama> Hi everyone
10:43 < morfoh> hi Pakman :)
10:44 < Pakmanorama> I'm at revision 17011 of the trunk and am getting errors building the bootdisk target
10:44 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: you're using 2.2 ?
10:44 < Pakmanorama> the specific error is in linux26 in the unionfs module code
10:45 < Pakmanorama> morfoh, yes. 2.2
10:45 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: you don't need to build the bootdisk target for 2.2 anymore :)
10:45 < Pakmanorama> oh
10:45 < Pakmanorama> URL: http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk
10:46 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: sorry ... the Handbook isn't up to date in that case :/
10:46 < Pakmanorama> is the above URL correct for 2.2?
10:46 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: yes
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10:47 < Pakmanorama> I only ran the bootdisk as I had grub errors from the system build
10:47 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: with 2.2. you can choose the "output" format ... default is the "installer"
10:48 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: take a look while running ./scripts/Config -cfg system
10:48 < Pakmanorama> There are certainly a lot of options in there :)
10:48 < misl> hi folks :)
10:49 < Pakmanorama> My laptop is pretty slow between pages in the config scripts...
10:51 < Pakmanorama> Ok, I found the "output" format and have changed it to Live CD for some initial testing. I have built the minimal-xorg to do the first build
10:51 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: yes ... this is a drawback of the current Config ... it's implemented mostly using bash ... and it's looping over the config after every change, but we have plans for rewriting it
10:52 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: I think you should try the installer first
10:52 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: the livecd needs some polishing I think
10:53 < Pakmanorama> morfoh, thanks. I'll try the installer
10:53 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: :)
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10:56 < Pakmanorama> Ok, I get the same errors as before. Looking for grub/stage1, stage 2 and stage2_eltorito or can these messages be ignored?
10:57 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: can you publish the .err file somewhere ?
10:59 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: at least publish the error output i.e. rafb.net/paste/ ?
11:01 < Pakmanorama> Hmmm, never used rafb.net b4. Just pasted the error output
11:02 < Pakmanorama> How do you reference my paste?
11:02 < jsaw> gotta go, cu later
11:02 < jsaw> (P.S., morfoh: all fine :)
11:02 < morfoh> jsaw: :)
11:02 < morfoh> jsaw: see you later then :)
11:02 < morfoh> jsaw: have fun :)
11:05 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: I guess rafb.net will generate an URL that you could paste here :)
11:06 < Pakmanorama> http://rafb.net/paste/results/uEiAo150.html
11:06 < Pakmanorama> :)
11:06 < mnemoc> *G*
11:06 < Pakmanorama> stop laughing
11:07 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: I guess mnemoc wasn't laughing about you :)
11:07 < mnemoc> i can't :)
11:07 < morfoh> :p
11:07 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: are you sure you have grub selected ?
11:07 < mnemoc> grep grub config/system/packages
11:08 < morfoh> .oO( he was quicker damn ... )o
11:08 < morfoh> f* loopy
11:08 < mnemoc> as usual ,-)
11:08 < mnemoc> :(
11:08 < morfoh> :p
11:08 < Pakmanorama> oh crap
11:08 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: uhm ?
11:08 < Pakmanorama> no grub
11:09 < Pakmanorama> that probably explains it
11:09 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: yes
11:09 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: a workaround is to run Config and use custom package selection for now
11:10 < mnemoc> what target are you using?
11:10 < Pakmanorama> I need to find a rock to crawl under....
11:10 < morfoh> select "Expert options"
11:10 < Pakmanorama> minimal-xorg
11:10 < morfoh> and the n check custom package selection and add following line
11:10 < morfoh> X grub
11:11 < morfoh> X foo <-- this will enable foo package
11:11 < Pakmanorama> got it
11:12 < Pakmanorama> package selection rules>
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11:17 < Pakmanorama> should the build system pick build the newly selected package (grub) now or does it need an option set or something?
11:18 < morfoh_> Pakmanorama: you could run Config -cfg system -oldconfig
11:18 < morfoh_> Pakmanorama: btw, you can choose whetver name you want instead of "system" ;)
11:19 < morfoh_> ie. Config -cfg pakmansbox :)
11:19 < Pakmanorama> That would require a complete new build?
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11:20 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: don't do it now :)
11:20 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: I just wanted to mention it :)
11:20 < Pakmanorama> lol. OK
11:21 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: you could even rename it now but you had to rename some othe parts too
11:21 < Pakmanorama> It does seem quite flexible
11:21 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: it is :)
11:22 < misl> Hi folks
11:22 < Pakmanorama> If I don't do a cross compile will the build system pick up any libraries from the host system into the target system?
11:22 < morfoh> misl: hi moped misl :)
11:22 < misl> morfoh: Maybe we can introduce a script which takes care of renaming a config?
11:23 < misl> ./script/Config -cfg foo -rename newfoo
11:23 < morfoh> misl: go ahead and write it :)
11:23 < misl> hehe, but first I have to do something else :(
11:23 < mnemoc_> mv config/{,new}foo ? :)
11:24 < morfoh> misl: but don't bother the poor children on the playground again :)
11:24 < misl> mnemoc: that requires a full rebuild
11:24 < misl> the old build should be renamed to the new build as well.
11:25 < misl> morfoh: I am not bothering. psst looking left and right .... I am playing myself
11:25 < misl> :D
11:25 < morfoh> misl: ack ... most probably you have to rename it in the build dir too and running Config -cfg newfoo -oldconfig
11:25 < morfoh> misl: :)
11:25 < mnemoc_> misl: the deeper problem is that if SDECFG_ID changes, the toolchain (1-gcc basicly) gets broken
11:26 < morfoh> misl: but don't play that much with yourself please :)
11:26 < mnemoc_> misl: it's not just a matter of renamming the buildir
11:26 < misl> morfoh: My name is not Morfoh
11:26 < misl> mnemoc_: :(
11:26 < morfoh> misl: oh! bad boy :)
11:26 < misl> morfoh: have you looked in the mirror lately?
11:27 < misl> :)
11:27 < morfoh> misl: no I#'m avoiding to to so :)
11:27 < morfoh> to do
11:27 < misl> I can imagine :D
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11:28 < morfoh> misl: thanks ... if you can imagine you seem to have the same "problem" :p
11:28 < morfoh> misl: what I really understand in your case :p
11:28 < misl> No, but I do know someone who does :P
11:29 < morfoh> misl: :p
11:29 < misl> He lives in Berlin and goes by the name C.Wiese :P
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11:30 < morfoh> misl: :(
11:30 < mnemoc_> mr. grass
11:31 < morfoh> at least my tavarish is back now for supporting his kommrad :)
11:31 < morfoh> wb karasz :)
11:31 < misl> Got you
11:31 < karasz> thanks kommrad ;)
11:31 < Pakmanorama> Hmmm, still doesn't want to build grub
11:31 < misl> Hi karasz
11:31 < karasz> hello minto
11:31 < mnemoc_> Pakmanorama: grek grub config/system/packages
11:31 < karasz> mnemoc_: buenos dias.
11:31 < mnemoc_> grep
11:31 < morfoh> karasz: could you show minto how strong I am please :)
11:31 < mnemoc_> buenos dias compañero
11:32 < karasz> double :)
11:32 < morfoh> karasz: please beat him badly :)
11:32 < karasz> misl: do not play with morfoh, he can be very bad if he really wants to .... ;)
11:32 < morfoh> thanks :)
11:32 < misl> morfoh: after this I will stop teasing you
11:32 < morfoh> hehe :p
11:33 < misl> Morfoh: You are that strong that you need help ;)
11:33 < karasz> ouch !!!
11:33 < karasz> kommrad, ... ;)
11:33 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: is grub in your packages file now ?
11:34 * karasz in background installin devices on that mirific plug'n'pray OS.... :(
11:34 < Pakmanorama> morfoh, no. I don't know why. I put it in the package selection rules
11:34 < morfoh> poor karasz
11:34 < Pakmanorama> morfoh, just looking at the packages file now
11:34 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: grep grub config/system/packages
11:34 < Pakmanorama> morfoh, not in there
11:35 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: grep grub config/system/pkgsel
11:35 < Pakmanorama> morfoh, no such file
11:35 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: config/system/pkgsel <-- custom package selections go there
11:35 < morfoh> uhm
11:36 < Pakmanorama> oops, sorry
11:36 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: ?
11:36 < Pakmanorama> morfoh, found pkgsel and I have "X grub" in it
11:36 < mnemoc_> o_O
11:36 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: run ./scripts/Config -cfg system -oldconfig
11:37 < Pakmanorama> morfoh, is it case sensitive in pkgsel?
11:37 < mnemoc_> of course
11:38 < morfoh> and perhaps even do ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg system -remove grub <-- for rescheduling the the build of grub
11:38 < Pakmanorama> morfoh, is a lowercase X required?
11:38 < morfoh> no
11:38 < mnemoc_> rxr_: hi, can you sync nexus' 2.1 mirror? samba-3.0.21c is not there
11:39 < Pakmanorama> morfoh, after -oldconfig should the entry still be in pkgsel?
11:39 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: yes
11:40 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: I just wanted to get sure to regenerate the stuff
11:40 < Pakmanorama> morfoh, should grub be in packages now?
11:40 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: try to run Build-Target -cfg system
11:40 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: no
11:40 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: the packages file comes from the target itself
11:40 < morfoh> the pkgsel from the custom package selection
11:41 < Pakmanorama> morfoh, ok, same error and no attempt to build grub
11:42 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: one moment please
11:43 < Pakmanorama> ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg system -remove grub
11:43 < Pakmanorama> Scheduling package 'grub' for rebuild ...
11:43 < Pakmanorama> No such package: grub
11:43 < mnemoc_> grep grub config/system/packages <--- and please paste here the output
11:44 < Pakmanorama> mnemoc_, no output
11:45 < mnemoc_> what architecture?
11:45 < Pakmanorama> perhaps I need to add the grub version?
11:45 < Pakmanorama> x86
11:45 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: one second please ... /me checking the target
11:45 < mnemoc_> please create a _new_ config, just selecting the arch, optimization and template
11:45 < mnemoc_> and test there
11:47 < morfoh> grep grub config/minimalx/packages
11:47 < morfoh> X -----5---- 202.200 x86 grub 0.97 / base/boot DIETLIBC NO-SSP 0
11:47 < morfoh> ^ this is test with x86 Pentium4
11:47 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: so it should be there ... .oO( hmmm ... )o
11:48 < Pakmanorama> morfoh, ok I'll do as mnemoc_ suggests
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11:48 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: ack ... run ./scripts/Config -cfg test
11:49 < morfoh> and select your architecture and optimizations + the minimal X
11:49 < Pakmanorama> holy crap! I just chose test myself...lol
11:50 < mnemoc> how cute :)
11:50 < Pakmanorama> mnemoc, give me a break
11:51 < mnemoc> :)
11:53 < Pakmanorama> morfoh, OK. I now have grub in the packages file
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11:54 < Tauras> Hello
11:55 < morfoh> hi Tauras
11:55 < Tauras> where do you filter stages for embeded target? I mean where is 2+ stages are removed
11:55 < Pakmanorama> morfoh, found it. If I choose a cross compiled build grub isn't selected.
11:56 < mnemoc> Tauras: target/embedded/config.in does _lot_ of ugly hackery
11:57 < Tauras> soz :) I'm blind...
11:58 < mnemoc> it'S very evil and goes agains all the t2 philosophy, but 'it works'
12:00 < Tauras> lol, I still did not get this philosophy ;)
12:00 < mnemoc> like on any sect, it's not written :)
12:03 < Tauras> it would be good if one wrote a tutorial on building new target from scratch
12:03 < mnemoc> you are welcome :)
12:03 < morfoh> Tauras: https://www2.t2-project.org/docs/quickstart <-- :)
12:04 < Tauras> i know :) but for me is still far to understand every bit
12:04 < CIA-7> aldas * r17012 /trunk/package/gnome2/evolution-data-server/evolution-data-server.desc: * updated evolution-data-server (1.6.0 -> 1.6.1)
12:04 < CIA-7> aldas * r17013 /trunk/package/gnome2/evolution/evolution.desc: * updated evolution (2.6.0 -> 2.6.1)
12:05 < morfoh> Tauras: but you're right ... our docs are not that proper anymore ... and a lot of things have changed in the trunk version
12:05 < Tauras> btw, what does bash config helper does?
12:06 < mnemoc> loops around misc/ architecture/ target/ and packages/, makes some questions, and generate config/*/{config,packages} to be used by Build-Target and Build-Pkg
12:06 < morfoh> ^ hook Mr. Bash has spoken :)
12:06 < mnemoc> :(
12:08 < morfoh> :)
12:09 < morfoh> Tauras: btw, for T2 2.2 you don't need to build the bootdisk target anymore ... but anyway it's not needed while using the mebedded target anymway because it will create a nice sqashfs image :)
12:11 < Tauras> yeah, I know :) I moved from stage 0 in understanding of SDE
12:11 < morfoh> hi Baldzius btw .)
12:11 < morfoh> Tauras: good :)
12:11 < Tauras> sveikas Baldzhius
12:11 < Baldzius> hi morfoh Tauras mnemoc :)
12:12 < Pakmanorama> SDE?
12:12 < Baldzius> svx :)
12:13 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: System Development Environment
12:16 < karasz> brbr or brb ;)
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12:20 < Pakmanorama> What is the "correct" way to remove an unwanted build? Just remove the build directory? or does this break stuff?
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12:20 < karasz> uuh, I survived another reboot ;)
12:20 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: you could remove it by hand
12:21 < morfoh> or using Cleanup script
12:21 < morfoh> ./scripts/Cleanup -build build/foobar-*
12:22 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: and please take a look at Cleanup --help :)
12:22 < morfoh> there are some more options you might want to use :)
12:22 < Pakmanorama> morfoh, thanks
12:24 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: yw :)
12:25 < Pakmanorama> morfoh, did you see my comment on the cause of the grub exclusion?
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12:26 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: yes
12:27 < Pakmanorama> == 22:23:35 =[1]=> Building base/glibc [20051128 2.2-trunk].
12:28 < Pakmanorama> ^ Does this refer to build stage 1?
12:28 < mnemoc> Pakmanorama: yes
12:28 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: grub is just build in stage 5 and cross-compiling is stage 1
12:29 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: [1] = stage 1 ... yes
12:29 < Pakmanorama> morfoh, I thought so. Just reading T2 handbook about stages :)
12:29 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: :)
12:29 < Pakmanorama> morfoh, whilst waiting for "test" to build from scratch
12:30 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: I started to overhaul the handbook but atm. I have no time for that :/
12:30 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: why you don't disable cross-compile on your "system" build ?
12:30 < morfoh> and continue ?
12:31 < morfoh> I guess you're building on x86 ... or not ?
12:31 < Pakmanorama> morfoh, I assumed the build system would mess up...
12:32 < Pakmanorama> morfoh, yup. building on x86 for x86 target
12:32 < Pakmanorama> morfoh, I'm used to Midori Linux so I just chose cross compile by default
12:33 < Pakmanorama> morfoh, AFAIK Midori had to cross compile as it didn;t have a chroot sandbox
12:33 < mnemoc> the cross compile flag on t2 is just to skip the chroot
12:34 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: try to change [P] X -----5---9 202.200 to [P] X -1---5---9 202.200 in package/x86/grub/grub.desc
12:34 < morfoh> and reschedule your "system" build
12:35 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: of course without disabling cross-compile ... .o( thanks mnemoc )o :)
12:36 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: if that doesn't work you could rename your build/system*-cross* and rescheduling gcc, binutils
12:36 < mnemoc> .oO( did i say anything? )o
12:36 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... you did ... .oO( poor guy ... he seems to suffer on alzheimer )o
12:37 < mnemoc> o_O
12:42 < Pakmanorama> hmm..grub build fails
12:42 < Pakmanorama> cp: cannot stat `/usr/lib/grub/i386-t2/*': No such file or directory
12:43 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: hmmm :/
12:44 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: svn revert package/x86/grub/grub.desc
12:44 < morfoh> adn rename the build dir
12:44 < morfoh> and
12:44 < morfoh> without cross* suffix
12:45 < morfoh> and run Config and deselect cross-compile
12:45 < morfoh> Create-ErrList -cfg system -remove binutils gcc
12:46 < morfoh> to reschedule just gcc and binutils
12:46 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: I guess that will be cheaper than building the "test" config :)
12:50 < Pakmanorama> morfoh, ok build started. thanks
12:50 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: np :)
12:50 < Pakmanorama> morfoh, ccache enabled won't mess anything up?
12:51 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: I don' think so
12:51 < Pakmanorama> morfoh, good because it
12:51 < Pakmanorama> morfoh, it's using it :)
12:52 < morfoh> :)
12:54 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 100.00% (52 hits, 0 misses) <-- random paste from my current build ;)
12:54 < morfoh> ccache is quite handy :)
12:55 < Pakmanorama> -> Compiler Cache enabled: 34.14% cache hits so far.
12:55 < Pakmanorama> == 22:58:51 =[0]=> Building base/gcc [4.1.0 2.2-trunk].
12:55 < Pakmanorama> -> Compiler Cache enabled: 21.99% cache hits so far.
12:56 < Pakmanorama> http://youtube.com/watch?v=ox1ZFIgMmps&search=technology
12:56 < Pakmanorama> check out the
12:56 < Pakmanorama> Cooking with Liquid Oxygen video...lol...don't EVER lend your BBQ to these guys...
12:57 < morfoh> :)
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13:00 < karasz> next time try napalm...
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13:00 < karasz> I am sure if anyone is interested I can fin some... ;)
13:05 < morfoh> karasz: napalm is officially forbidden ! but some governments using white phosphorus instead of it while fighting "evil terrorists" :/
13:17 < Pakmanorama> bye everyone. sleep required. thanks for everyones help tonight :)
13:18 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: sleep well :)
13:18 * Pakmanorama will sleep well if his kids sleep through the night
13:18 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: good luck :)
13:19 * Pakmanorama crosses his fingers
13:57 < karasz> morfoh: napalm forbiden????
14:00 < karasz> bbl, `cu`guys
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14:26 < morfoh> misl: enough children bothered at the playground ? :)
14:43 < misl> hehe, No playground today :p
14:47 < morfoh> misl: good for the children :)
14:51 < misl> morfoh: I promised to stop teasing you today, but you make it hard for me ;-)
14:52 < misl> mnemoc: Was noisy helpful ;-)
14:52 < morfoh> misl: yeah ... but you promissed it :)
14:52 < misl> morfoh: I know
14:52 < morfoh> misl: that's why I can play "loud mouth" :)
14:53 < morfoh> misl: mnemoc is away atm. .... meeting a friend from school time
14:53 < misl> Play loud mouth if you please. It is quite easy to shut you up.
14:54 < misl> schooltime? in Berlin?
14:54 * morfoh sneaks back under his beloved stone :|
14:54 < morfoh> misl: yes ... he is studying here
14:55 < misl> Did start a study?
14:56 < misl> Odd, I thought he was looking for work
14:57 < morfoh> misl: if I wouldn't know better I would ask you about what kind of drugs you have taken today ... I'm talking about his friend :)
14:57 < morfoh> misl: too much orange juice ? :)
14:57 < morfoh> or milk ?
14:57 * morfoh hides
14:58 * morfoh takes a look if minto is waiting outside with a hammer to hit him
14:59 < morfoh> .oO( hmmm ... guess he felt asleep after consuming too much orange juice )o
14:59 < morfoh> .oO( or the horse of his son hit him badly )o
15:01 < morfoh> .oO( or maybe both ? )o
15:02 < morfoh> .oO( no ... now I know ... minto was absorbed by the coolin g fans of noisy ! )o
15:07 < misl> Ahh, now I understand.
15:07 < misl> morfoh: Do you suffer ADHD?
15:07 < misl> morfoh: Do you know what mnemoc did on noisy? I am curious :)
15:14 < misl> Hmm, guess morfoh is angry with me for not responding soon enough
15:17 * misl having dinner, bbl
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15:56 < Tauras> ciao guys
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16:49 < CIA-7> rene * r17014 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/publish.sh: * fixed archivista/publish /home/data/* exclude
16:57 < valentin> \msg nickserv identify wonderlandirc
16:57 < valentin> \msg nickserv
16:58 < misl> valentin: wrong slash :)
16:59 < valentin> yes
16:59 < valentin> i needed to change the passwd quick
16:59 < valentin> :-)
16:59 < misl> :)
17:00 < valentin> much fun guessing the new one ;)
17:01 < misl> wonderlandirc2 :)
17:03 < valentin> yes, how do you know ??
17:04 < Baldzius> :)
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17:06 < misl> Does anyone have a clue how many educational packages t2 has?
17:07 < valentin> educational ? like potato guy ?
17:07 < misl> no like http://gcompris.net/-About-GCompris-
17:07 < misl> but it is not yet part of T2
17:07 < misl> I plan on adding it :)
17:12 < karasz> re
17:13 < valentin> misl: teach your kids some stuff from regular expressions and programming if you want to educate them
17:14 < valentin> how old is merlin ?
17:14 < misl> valentin: Have you already tried that on Janna?
17:14 < misl> Merlyn is turning 3 in a few months
17:15 < valentin> janna is a hacker, she can type faster than me (measure in chars/second without semantic interpretation ;-)
17:15 < misl> lol
17:16 < valentin> well, from their website i think gcompris has everything you want
17:17 < misl> Merlyn is not much of a typer. He is more an investigator. He wants to now what the key look like from below :(
17:17 < misl> now = know
17:17 < misl> He is pulling the key from my laptop
17:17 < valentin> .oO
17:18 < misl> It is about time he gets his own computer to molest :)
17:18 < karasz> misl: don't worry, you need to buy one of theese http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/77ba/
17:19 < misl> click
17:19 < rxr_> hi valentin
17:19 < karasz> hello rxr_
17:20 < CIA-7> aldas * r17015 /trunk/package/network/bacula/bacula.desc: * updated bacula (1.38.7 -> 1.38.8)
17:21 < valentin> hi rxr
17:21 < CIA-7> aldas * r17016 /trunk/package/mail/sylpheed-claws/ (sylpheed-claws.conf sylpheed-claws.desc):
17:21 < CIA-7> * updated sylpheed-claws (2.1.0 -> 2.1.1)
17:21 < CIA-7> * added missing copyright
17:21 < valentin> rxr_: i have an issue with xorg
17:22 < CIA-7> aldas * r17017 /trunk/package/mail/libetpan/libetpan.desc: * marked libetpan NOPARALLEL
17:22 < valentin> the new radeon driver refuses to run two different resolution viewports of one screen
17:22 < valentin> which means i have to explicitly turn off the laptop display if i want 1280x1024 on my external tft
17:23 < misl> karasz: nice keyboard. Unfortunately it requires Windows XP
17:23 < karasz> well, nothing is perfect....
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17:34 < valentin> o f****n f...
17:34 < valentin> grm
17:34 < misl> valentin: has Janna messed up your regular expressions?
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17:34 < valentin> lol, i just wanted to configure konqueror to use kate when doing 'view page source'
17:35 < valentin> and now i have an association of mime type html with this editor
17:35 < valentin> so everytime i type an url or click on a link it wants to open the site in that editor
17:35 < misl> lol :)
17:37 < valentin> ok, undone
17:37 < valentin> but how do i tell this browser how to view document source ?
17:39 < valentin> my current konqueror is quite broken anyway :(
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17:54 < valentin> anyone knows which kde package kuickshow is in ?
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18:02 < sepp> moin
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18:06 < valentin> hm, according to the kde sites kuickshow should be in kdegraphics
18:07 < valentin> the package has the documentation installed but not the binary
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18:33 < veki> hi
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18:42 < morfoh> re hi :)
18:42 < mnemoc> hi veki, morfoh
18:42 < morfoh> hi mnemoc :p
18:43 < veki> hi
18:43 < morfoh> hi veki :)
18:44 < veki> good friend of mine is programmer , he wroked in motorola and he would liek to check t2 in order to compile packages for some ppc 603 e processor and other ppc processors
18:44 < veki> I told him to go here and ask for help if needed. I hope this is OK with you guys
18:45 < morfoh> hmmm... of course.. anyone is free to join #t2 and ask questions :)
18:46 < veki> good, he is currently on my irc gw.gnucentar.org.yu
18:46 < veki> channel linux
18:46 < veki> morfoh: if you like you can connect there and we can talk with him
18:47 < veki> maybe he need smore info on t2, history, mission etc.
18:49 < mnemoc> and why not just using freenode?
18:49 < veki> it is oK, he can come, it is OK
18:50 < veki> he is very benevolent guy, excellent developer, and maybe shy
18:50 < veki> ;)
18:50 < mnemoc> :)
18:51 < veki> he got phd and his wife also, they very young and nice people and quite knwoledgeable
18:51 < morfoh> veki: unfortunately our router migration @ home took too much time, and I've to check my curretn builds ... I guess I'll not have that much time to come over to your channel ... but anyhow ... tell him we'll not bite him (at least not the first time :)
18:52 < veki> yes, at least first days and then : who knwos :)
18:52 < morfoh> veki: you are the vampire here :)
18:52 < morfoh> so we should be shy :)
18:53 < veki> ah yes, not sleeping during th enight , having black bloody eyes, so children are getting scared on teh stree
18:53 < veki> street
18:54 < morfoh> veki: perhaps you can organize a visit to his house ? we could come over there ;)
18:54 < morfoh> veki: I can made a cake :)
18:54 < morfoh> make
18:54 < morfoh> veki: no really tell him to come over here :)
18:55 < veki> yes, we can go to shop buy things and do configure and then make make install and later on clean
18:55 < morfoh> ack :)
18:57 < veki> he is downloading t2 right now
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18:59 < amb> hi all
19:00 < veki> this is my freidn I told you about
19:01 < veki> amb: please feel free to ask any question you may have
19:01 < amb> thanks, i am still downloading packages
19:02 < veki> mnemoc: since you are a sort of captain here, you can tell some words on t2 to amb
19:03 < mnemoc> me captain of what?
19:03 < veki> of ship called t2
19:04 < veki> morofh: do not bite my friend :)
19:04 < amb> i almost went to rock... i read in the t2 handbook to download from www.rocklinux.org
19:05 < amb> fortunately, it did not wanna build
19:06 < veki> what you got as a prompt
19:06 < veki> ?
19:07 < amb> an error
19:07 < veki> error that says what
19:07 < amb> it passed config, download, but build-target failed at glibc
19:07 < amb> it kinda did not build the cross-compiler or some such
19:08 < veki> you wanted to uld for ppc?
19:08 < veki> build
19:08 < amb> the error was something like 'machine "altivec" needed'
19:09 < veki> ok
19:09 < amb> let's hope t2 won't do the same
19:09 < veki> so it does not support altivec-less processor
19:10 < amb> well, it is either (1) it was using x86 assembler or (2) a patch to glibc was necessary (i googled around a bit)
19:13 < veki> guys do you knwo about such issues with t2
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19:26 < veki> mnemoc: how much time is needed to compile desktop t2?
19:27 < mnemoc_> uhm, a couple of days :(
19:27 < sepp> on a 400mhz 603e, weeks :)
19:29 < mnemoc_> *G*
19:29 < veki> ok, on 603e would not be full desktop
19:30 < veki> actually EFIKA testing borad based on soc that is based on 603e and it will not run full desktop
19:30 < morfoh_> re hi ... bite bite :)=
19:30 < veki> it will be used for various purposes as VoIP, small server, info kkiosk etc
19:30 < morfoh_> hi sepp :)
19:30 < veki> :)
19:30 < morfoh_> hi amb :)
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19:32 < veki> you can learn more about EFIKA on www.genesi-usa.com and I think on section products
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19:32 < morfoh> btw ... again ... welcome amb :)
19:32 < veki> we plan to use it for underdeveloped regions and communities
19:32 < morfoh> veki: that's my "business" :)
19:32 < morfoh> .oO( as you know )o :)
19:33 < veki> yes of course, that is why I am saying that
19:34 < veki> ;)
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19:35 < morfoh> sepp: btw, I have a huge e17 update waiting for commit, I just have to do a "autocrap" fix for embrace afaics
19:35 < sepp> again?
19:36 < morfoh> yep
19:36 < morfoh> but perhaps I'll take 1 or 2 more days to wait for you :)
19:36 < sepp> lol
19:38 < amb> hi, sorry, i was busy elsewhere
19:38 < morfoh> veki: do you have a good machine for building your target ? as sepp suggested it would take quite long to built a full desktop on your tiny board
19:39 < veki> I have ppc Pegasos II that is G4 1GHz and I can build on it
19:39 < morfoh> and I doubt that the desktop target is the thing you're looking for
19:39 < morfoh> veki: it's to fat
19:39 < veki> it is not necessarikly desktop of course, it may be small Internet access point, small server or router etec.
19:39 < veki> or netwrok attached storage whateber we think may be good
19:39 < morfoh> ic
19:40 < veki> it may be small info kiosk with touch screen for hospitals
19:40 < veki> it can be accessibility aware thin clinet for the school
19:40 < morfoh> veki: but then you might check master mnemoc's mnemosyne target to get a more well defined system
19:40 < morfoh> I think it includes a lot of stuff you're currently looking for
19:41 < veki> yes, amb, me and amb's wife will do that and if someone of you can help us that is fine
19:41 < veki> yes, of course
19:41 < morfoh> veki: just check out t2 and start defining your systems
19:41 < morfoh> using mnemosyne
19:42 < veki> yes, that is the main point
19:42 < veki> good
19:42 < veki> and amb and me , we can have some questions but I am sure that you will help guys;)
19:43 < veki> mnemosyne was test target, is it still test or it is stable test or so :)
19:44 < morfoh> veki I'm using mnemosyne for quite ome time on production systems and of course it became more complete meanwhile
19:44 < morfoh> veki: just tae a look on the modules of mnemosyne
19:45 < morfoh> take
19:45 < veki> ok
19:45 < morfoh> and you'll see that it will fit most applications you told us
19:45 < veki> ok great
19:45 < amb> the glibc build using t2 has passed that config problem... so far, so good
19:45 < morfoh> veki: with what kind of target do you want to start ?
19:46 < veki> maybe small server, than router, than firewall, Vo
19:46 < amb> btw, there was a certificate problem with the mnemosyne target. is that normal?
19:46 < morfoh> amb ? what kind of problem ?
19:47 < sepp> ssl key not signed or so
19:47 < amb> the certificate authority...
19:47 < amb> not trusted
19:47 < morfoh> amb: what svn do you use ?
19:47 < morfoh> amb svn info target/mnemosyne ?
19:47 < amb> 1.1.0
19:48 < morfoh> amb: oh! sorry I mean the server you had checked out ?
19:48 < amb> Path: target/mnemosyne
19:48 < amb> URL: https://svn.ixplanet.net/mnemosyne/mnemosyne/trunk
19:48 < amb> Repository UUID: e2230855-02ff-0310-8c61-eb8030571770
19:48 < amb> Revision: 443
19:48 < amb> Node Kind: directory
19:48 < amb> Schedule: normal
19:48 < amb> Last Changed Author: amery
19:48 < amb> Last Changed Rev: 432
19:48 < amb> Last Changed Date: 2006-04-16 13:28:34 +0200 (Sun, 16 Apr 2006)
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19:48 < morfoh> amb: that's the right on ... we moved mnemosyne to my server
19:49 < morfoh> and the cert problem is just because you don't "trust" http://www.cacert.org/ certs
19:50 < morfoh> but it's an officially cacert
19:50 < amb> it's doing binutils now. any idea how long it might take on a 2.8GHz amd64 (niced)?
19:50 < morfoh> 2min
19:50 < morfoh> just a guess
19:51 < morfoh> amb: what target are you building right now ?
19:51 < amb> sorry, not just binutils :) i am building minimal + X
19:52 < morfoh> amb: hmmmm ... sorry dunno. it's really hard to guess :)
19:52 < morfoh> sepp: how long does your special minimal X builds on your host ?
19:52 < CIA-7> aldas * r17019 /trunk/package/gnome2/gdm/ (5 files):
19:52 < CIA-7> * updated gdm (2.8.0.7 -> 2.14.2)
19:52 < CIA-7> * adapted minimal_uid.patch for new version
19:52 < CIA-7> * copyright update
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19:54 < sepp> morfoh: my 488 pkg target needs 14h, on a athlonxp 3000+
19:55 < CIA-7> aldas * r17020 /trunk/package/network/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.desc: * updated ndiswrapper (1.12 -> 1.14)
19:55 < sepp> but it includes e17 etc
19:59 < morfoh> sepp: but I guess whole e17 takes less than the erlang-otp alone
19:59 < morfoh> :)
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20:01 < veki> rxr: do you have any experience of building target for ppc 603 e
20:02 < sepp> imho - 70mb or how large the vm is does not really matter on a normal 200gb harddisc
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20:37 < CIA-7> aldas * r17021 /trunk/package/gnome2/epiphany/epiphany.desc: * updated epiphany (1.8.5 -> 2.14.1)
20:38 < CIA-7> aldas * r17022 /trunk/package/gnome2/glibmm/glibmm.desc: * updated glibmm (2.8.5 -> 2.10.1)
20:38 < CIA-7> aldas * r17023 /trunk/package/gnome2/gmime/gmime.desc: * updated gmime (2.1.19 -> 2.2.1)
20:38 < CIA-7> aldas * r17024 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtkhtml/gtkhtml.desc: * updated gtkhtml (3.10.0 -> 3.10.1)
20:38 < CIA-7> aldas * r17025 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtkmm/ (gtkmm.conf gtkmm.desc): * updated gtkmm (2.8.3 -> 2.8.5)
20:39 < CIA-7> aldas * r17026 /trunk/package/base/libol/libol.desc: * updated libol (0.3.16 -> 0.3.18)
20:39 < CIA-7> aldas * r17027 /trunk/package/base/libraw1394/libraw1394.desc: * updated libraw1394 (1.2.0 -> 1.2.1)
20:40 < CIA-7> aldas * r17028 /trunk/package/gnome2/rhythmbox/rhythmbox.desc:
20:40 < CIA-7> * updated rhythmbox (0.9.3.1 -> 0.9.4)
20:40 < CIA-7> * marked as NOPARALLEL
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20:44 < CIA-7> aldas * r17029 /trunk/package/gnome2/pan/ (pan.desc stupid-gcc4-strictness.patch):
20:44 < CIA-7> * updated pan (0.14.2.91 -> 0.93)
20:44 < CIA-7> * removed stupid-gcc4-strictness.patch - obsolete
20:44 < CIA-7> * copyright update
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21:08 < CIA-7> aldas * r17031 /trunk/package/gnome2/file-roller/file-roller.desc: * updated file-roller (2.14.0 -> 2.14.1)
21:09 < CIA-7> aldas * r17032 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-menus/gnome-menus.desc: * updated gnome-menus (2.13.5 -> 2.14.0)
21:09 < CIA-7> aldas * r17033 /trunk/package/gnome2/pygobject/pygobject.desc: * updated pygobject (2.10.0 -> 2.10.1)
21:09 < CIA-7> aldas * r17034 /trunk/package/gnome2/pygtk/pygtk.desc: * updated pygtk (2.8.5 -> 2.8.6)
21:13 < CIA-7> aldas * r17035 /trunk/package/network/lat/lat.desc: * updated lat (1.0.3 -> 1.0.4)
21:14 < CIA-7> aldas * r17036 /trunk/package/network/mldonkey/mldonkey.desc: * updated mldonkey (2.7.3 -> 2.7.5)
21:14 < CIA-7> aldas * r17037 /trunk/package/network/openvpn/openvpn.desc: * updated openvpn (2.0.6 -> 2.0.7)
21:16 < CIA-7> aldas * r17038 /trunk/package/network/hylafax/ (hylafax.conf hylafax.desc no-init.patch):
21:16 < CIA-7> * updated hylafax (4.2.1 -> 4.2.5)
21:16 < CIA-7> * fixed version number
21:16 < CIA-7> * copyright update
21:16 < CIA-7> * security update: lots of vulnerabilities
21:17 < CIA-7> aldas * r17039 /trunk/package/network/l7-filter/ (6 files):
21:17 < CIA-7> * updated l7-filter (2005-03-14 -> 2006-04-09)
21:17 < CIA-7> * copyright update
21:23 < CIA-7> aldas * r17040 /trunk/package/mail/mailman/mailman.desc:
21:23 < CIA-7> * updated mailman (2.1.7 -> 2.1.8)
21:23 < CIA-7> * security update: CVE-2006-1712
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21:35 < CIA-7> aldas * r17041 /trunk/package/base/busybox/ (busybox.conf busybox.desc config.hlp config.in):
21:35 < CIA-7> * updated busybox (1.1.1 -> 1.1.2)
21:35 < CIA-7> * copyright update
21:35 < CIA-7> * security update: CVE-2006-1058
21:43 < morfoh> re hi :)
21:43 < morfoh> Baldzius: back in "vandal" mode ? :)
21:43 < Baldzius> i guess :)
21:44 < morfoh> Baldzius: good :)
21:44 < morfoh> Baldzius: but don't forget to drink with your grandpa :)
21:44 < morfoh> I mean ... one beer :)
21:45 < Baldzius> yeah, we drank one "bambalis" yesterday :)
21:45 < morfoh> Baldzius: oh! shit the l7-filter update I had already :)
21:46 < Baldzius> sorry :/
21:46 < morfoh> Baldzius: what is that "bambalis" ?
21:46 < morfoh> Baldzius: np ;)
21:46 < morfoh> Baldzius: sounds like "heavy" stuff :)
21:46 < Baldzius> bambalis - is 2l of cheap beer in plastic botlle :)
21:46 < morfoh> oh!!!! :)
21:47 < morfoh> hopefully you had no headaches after that 2l :)
21:47 < Baldzius> brrbrbrrr don't drink that if you be here i mean in lithuania
21:47 < Baldzius> better stick with good beer :)
21:47 < Baldzius> avoid "bambalis" :)
21:48 < morfoh> Baldzius: yes ... if I'll ever visit lithuania I'll bring some beer as present for you :)
21:48 < morfoh> the best would be a 50l barrel :)
21:48 < morfoh> for drinking with grandpa :)
21:49 < Baldzius> heh :)
21:49 < Baldzius> well i like drinking vine more
21:49 < Baldzius> i drink beer just for company :)
21:50 < Baldzius> red vine
21:50 < morfoh> I like both but also prefering wine
21:50 < morfoh> yep ;)
21:51 < morfoh> oh! shit ... epiphany was also yet updated localy ... evil me
21:51 < Baldzius> oops :)
21:53 < Baldzius> heh just realized that wine is "wine" not emulator :)
21:53 < Baldzius> i thought it writes with "v" :)
21:53 < Baldzius> like "vynas" in lithuanian
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22:08 < Pakmanorama> Hi all
22:10 < veki> morfoh: amb is building his target. I hope everything will be fine
22:10 < morfoh> veki: I hope so too :)
22:13 < veki> yes, I will tell you tomorrow
22:13 < veki> he is good, he wirks with Linux 12 years :)
22:13 < morfoh> veki: yeah :)
22:14 < veki> me 11 years only
22:15 < morfoh> :)
22:17 < veki> but, I work more with socially applicable things like accessibility etc.
22:18 < veki> and audio in arts etc.
22:18 < veki> localization for the languages fo ethnic minorities etc.
22:18 < morfoh> veki: that's important too
22:19 < veki> yes, and many poor people are getting better because of that :)
22:20 < morfoh> veki: do you have a list of running projects in that field ?
22:22 < CIA-7> chris * r17042 /trunk/package/security/prewikka/prewikka.desc: * updated prewikka (0.9.3 -> 0.9.4)
22:23 < veki> uuh, I work a lot of such things
22:23 < veki> I cna mention few, if you like
22:24 < morfoh> veki: I just thinking about a cooperation between your "gnucenter" and the opensource lab we're founding atm. at the technical university
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22:25 < morfoh> it seems that we've quite the same goals
22:25 < morfoh> and why not bundling the power ... ?
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22:26 < morfoh> Baldzius: do you have a current ref build where you could reschedule thunderbird ?
22:27 < veki> ok, why not norfoh, I am always open for cooperation
22:28 < veki> :)
22:28 < Baldzius> morfoh: yes
22:28 < morfoh> veki yeah ... I'll discuss that issue during the next meeting
22:29 < Baldzius> morfoh: you want me to compile thunderbird?
22:29 < morfoh> Baldzius: yes ... but one moment :)
22:29 < veki> Ok, no problem, if you need anything more from me, please do not hesitate to ask
22:29 < veki> and I will provide you with infromation that you may need
22:29 < morfoh> veki: ok ;)
22:30 < veki> so, join together and do good things
22:30 < veki> :)
22:30 < CIA-7> chris * r17043 /trunk/misc/archive/findorphans.sh: * added "-just" option to findorphans.sh for searching just the specified folder
22:31 < morfoh> Baldzius: could you use misc/archive/findorphans.sh to find orphan files of thunderbird in your ref build ?
22:32 < mnemoc_> they are the same chrome/*.jar files i hacked inside firefox
22:33 < morfoh> Baldzius: see r16969
22:34 < Baldzius> morfoh: i will take some time to compile thunderbird as i disabled it
22:34 < Baldzius> it*
22:35 < morfoh> Baldzius: yeah ... np :)
22:36 < Pakmanorama> morfoh: build was completed but I have a problem as follows...
22:36 < Pakmanorama> -> Creating output image ...
22:36 < Pakmanorama> cp: cannot stat `/t2-trunk/build/system-2.2-trunk-generic-x86-pentium4/boot/initrd-2.6.16.2-dist.img': No such file or directory
22:36 < mnemoc_> mkinitrd package
22:36 < Pakmanorama> morfoh: looks like it was building with 2.6.16.5
22:37 < mnemoc_> that template you selected seems to be terribly broken :(
22:38 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: 'svn up' and then try './scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg system -dry-run -newdelete'
22:38 < morfoh> to see what has changed on trunk during your last builds
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22:39 < morfoh> wb tavarish karasz :)
22:39 < karasz> thx
22:39 < karasz> nice to be back again....
22:39 < morfoh> karasz: :)
22:42 < Pakmanorama> morfoh: no output from the Create-ErrList. Is there a log I should check?
22:43 < Pakmanorama> X -1---5---- 102.060 base linux26 2.6.16.5 / base/kernel KERNEL 0
22:43 < Pakmanorama> ^ This was in packages
22:43 < Pakmanorama> O -1---5---- 102.060 base linux26mm 2.6.16-rc6-mm2 / base/kernel KERNEL 0
22:44 < Pakmanorama> ^ along with this
22:44 < veki> karasz: hi
22:44 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: './scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg system -remove linux26 mkinitrd'
22:45 < morfoh> after that restart Build-Target ...
22:45 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: this should solve the problem
22:46 < Pakmanorama> morfoh: I noticed that the fdclock package failed to build as it depends on cairo.
22:46 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: have you seen my query ?
22:47 < mnemoc_> indentify yourself :)
22:47 < morfoh> mnemoc_: thanks
22:48 < Pakmanorama> morfoh: which query?
22:48 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: "private message"
22:49 < Pakmanorama> morfoh: no
22:54 < morfoh> Pakmanorama: and now ?
22:55 < veki> guys, I go to sleep cu tomorrow/today
22:55 < morfoh> veki: sleep well :)
22:55 < veki> danke morfoh :)
22:55 < morfoh> :)
22:55 < veki> gutten nacht
22:56 < morfoh> gute nach veki :)
22:56 < morfoh> nacht
22:56 < veki> danke schon
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22:57 < amb> cu
22:58 < morfoh> cu amb :)
22:58 < morfoh> amb: good luck :)
22:58 < amb> thanks :)
22:58 < morfoh> amb: yw :)
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23:18 < CIA-7> aldas * r17044 /trunk/package/develop/scons/ (environment.patch parse-config scons.desc):
23:18 < CIA-7> * updated scons (0.96.91 -> 0.96.92)
23:18 < CIA-7> * copyright update
23:18 < CIA-7> aldas * r17045 /trunk/package/develop/autogen/autogen.desc: * updated autogen (5.8.3 -> 5.8.4)
23:19 < CIA-7> aldas * r17046 /trunk/package/develop/gwenhywfar/gwenhywfar.desc: * updated gwenhywfar (2.1.1 -> 2.2.0)
23:19 < CIA-7> aldas * r17047 /trunk/package/develop/monotone/monotone.desc: * updated monotone (0.25.2 -> 0.26)
23:20 < CIA-7> aldas * r17048 /trunk/package/develop/uncrustify/uncrustify.desc: * updated uncrustify (0.0.13 -> 0.0.15)
23:20 < morfoh> Baldzius: do you want to kill me ? I guess I've to reschedule my target again in some minutes :)
23:21 < Baldzius> sorry morfoh :(
23:22 < morfoh> Baldzius: nah :)
23:24 < CIA-7> aldas * r17049 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc:
23:24 < CIA-7> * updated linux26 (2.6.16.5 -> 2.6.16.7)
23:24 < CIA-7> * security update: CVE-2006-1524
23:24 < morfoh> oh!!!! :D
23:25 < Baldzius> morfoh: i am close to finish _base_ updating
23:25 < morfoh> hell :)
23:25 < Baldzius> i think there left 2~3 commits :)
23:25 < morfoh> Baldzius: oh! just the _base_
23:25 < morfoh> :D
23:25 < mnemoc_> you are a machine
23:25 < mnemoc_> this is not humanly possible
23:25 < morfoh> Baldzius: you've to tell me what kind of script is behind you :)
23:26 < morfoh> Baldzius: or is that the famous lithuanian beer ? :)
23:26 < Baldzius> "bambalis" ? :)
23:26 < Baldzius> nah :)
23:26 < morfoh> Baldzius: yes :)
23:27 < mnemoc_> o_O
23:28 < morfoh> Baldzius: can you sent me some "bambalis" ? I'd like to test it on mnemoc :)
23:28 < Baldzius> :)))))))))))))
23:28 < mnemoc_> ehm
23:28 < morfoh> because he prefers to play with the balls of a flat mate atm. :)
23:28 < Baldzius> gladly if it be easy by email :)
23:29 < morfoh> I mean ... he tries juggling :)
23:30 < morfoh> now he is looking for a dictionary :)
23:30 < morfoh> to fight back
23:30 < morfoh> but it's nice to work on a 9" bw monitor :)
23:30 < morfoh> he likes it :)
23:30 < mnemoc_> at least i don'T squeeze them the whole day
23:30 < mnemoc_> hey! leave my balls there!
23:31 < morfoh> oh! where is the third one
23:31 < Baldzius> mnemoc needs dictionary? :)
23:31 < mnemoc_> i forgot how to write 'squeeze' :)
23:31 < Baldzius> :)
23:32 < Baldzius> i thought only i here need dictionary :)
23:32 < Baldzius> almost every time :)
23:32 < Pakmanorama> for a celeron M processor should I optimise for Pentium M or Pentium 4?
23:32 < mnemoc_> my problem with the monitor is not the resolution, is the monocromatic stuff.... i loose half of the lines if i enable syntax highlighting on vim :(
23:33 < mnemoc_> Baldzius: morfoh can't live without dict.leo.org
23:33 < morfoh> Baldzius: but the poor thing is that he squeezes the balls the whole day ... but he oesn't know how to write it :p
23:33 < mnemoc_> pff
23:33 < morfoh> :p
23:33 < Baldzius> :)))
23:33 < morfoh> he can't hanldle 2 balls
23:34 < Baldzius> what balls?
23:34 < mnemoc_> you are the expect pulling the balls here
23:34 < Baldzius> what about easter eggs? :)
23:34 < morfoh> the balls of a flat mate :9
23:34 < morfoh> :)
23:34 < morfoh> the juggling balls :)
23:34 < morfoh> of course
23:34 < morfoh> :)
23:34 < morfoh> he isn't that dirty yet
23:35 < Baldzius> :)
23:36 < morfoh> but three balls are too much atm
23:36 < mnemoc_> you have them quite sticky
23:36 < morfoh> ouch
23:36 < mnemoc_> sorry
23:37 < Baldzius> i can juggle 2 balls with 1 hand, but can't 3 with 2
23:37 < Baldzius> 4 balls - is mission imposible
23:38 < morfoh> :D
23:39 < morfoh> I just can handle 3
23:39 < mnemoc_> mutant
23:39 < morfoh> Baldzius: I don't want to think about how you handle 2 balls with 1 hand :)
23:40 < Baldzius> morfoh: don't be so nasty :)
23:40 < morfoh> Baldzius: me ?
23:40 < morfoh> Baldzius: sorry :)
23:41 < Baldzius> who else? :)
23:41 < mnemoc_> :)
23:41 < morfoh> :(
23:41 * Baldzius looks around
23:41 < mnemoc_> we all know morfoh
23:41 * morfoh hides under his stone
23:41 < mnemoc_> good, so i can sleep
23:41 < Baldzius> morfoh don't hide
23:41 < Baldzius> i have good news
23:42 < Baldzius> thunderbird just finished :)
23:42 < morfoh> oh! :)
23:42 < morfoh> yeah ... with the hack ?
23:42 < morfoh> :)
23:42 < morfoh> do you have the .jar files ?
23:42 < Baldzius> should i run it?
23:42 < Baldzius> o che jar in flist?
23:42 < Baldzius> check
23:42 < Baldzius> ?
23:42 < morfoh> Baldzius: it doesn't affect stage 9 builds
23:42 < Baldzius> i have 5
23:43 < Baldzius> == 04/17/06 21:45:53 =[5]=> Finished building package thunderbird.
23:43 < morfoh> and are the .jar file in the flist ?
23:44 < Baldzius> i see jar dir, jar.xpt some include files with *jar*
23:45 < Baldzius> but no *.jar
23:45 < Baldzius> maybe i did smtg wrong
23:45 < Baldzius> same files i have with firefox
23:46 < Baldzius> but no .jar either
23:46 < morfoh> Baldzius: did you added the kind of "hack" we did on firefox ?
23:46 < Baldzius> morfoh: no :(
23:47 < Baldzius> but i don't see those .jar files in firefox either
23:47 < morfoh> uhm ?
23:47 < mnemoc_> head?
23:47 < Baldzius> i always use head :)
23:48 < Baldzius> let me double check
23:48 < mnemoc_> when did you build firefox the alast time?
23:49 < Baldzius> i'd say 3-4 days ago
23:49 < Baldzius> but not sure
23:51 < Baldzius> i have firefox built locally on 14' april
23:51 < Baldzius> no signs of .jar files
23:52 < morfoh> r16969 | chris | 2006-04-15 23:05:17 +0200 (Sat, 15 Apr 2006) | 3 lines
23:52 < morfoh> * hacked firefox.conf to flist_add .jar files which are ignored by the fl_wrapper
23:52 < Baldzius> oh
23:53 < Baldzius> i can try to recompile it
23:53 < morfoh> Baldzius: but as I said it doesn't affect stage 9
23:54 < Baldzius> oops :)
23:55 < Baldzius> in that case don't count on me maybe me lamed somewhere :)
23:55 < mnemoc_> time to go to sleep
23:56 < mnemoc_> good name machine, and morfoh
23:56 < mnemoc_> err
23:56 < mnemoc_> good night*
23:56 < Baldzius> gn8 mnemoc_ :)
23:56 < morfoh> uhm ...
23:56 < mnemoc_> gn8 :)
23:56 < morfoh> gn8 mnemoc_ :)
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23:57 < Baldzius> morfoh: i am recompiling firefox in 5'th stage
23:58 < Baldzius> see what i get then
23:59 < Baldzius> morfoh: i didn't understand you that i need to inject that hack into thunderbird conf
23:59 < Baldzius> sorry :/
23:59 < morfoh> Baldzius: np .. don't worry :)
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